Profile of SweetrollNearTheDoor

2v2 claims another victim

I did one more test in cheat mod and can now also say that compared to AVRE Sturmtiger is extremely unreliable even with pinpoint bullseye hits against AT Guns. (thanks to Loxley for mentioning this to me initially)

Both of the projectiles can clip on the green cover provided by the actual AT gun so the explosion can happen a bit quicker than where the shot was targeted. For AVRE this was a non-issue due to the damage profile (or whatever it is called) being so potent even at the edge of the explosion so that AT guns (tested on 6 man non-clumped ZiS crews for maximum survivability) were wiped almost all the time.

For the Sturmtiger things get bad. If the rocket hits the actual AT gun there is a very significant (around 40% at least by my tests with a sample size of 10 zis crews) chance the crew survives and will continue to fire. This is due to the neutered damage outside the immediate blast area so even if all the crew members were on the explosion zone some not being at the dead center of it survived. This makes it a gamble to try and score direct hits against AT guns while the AVRE bears no such risk.

Once again OKW gets the shortest end of the stick since the raketen has no gun shield and the gun will not protect it from the AVRE yeeting. Also the Rak retreat animation where the crew runs forward before retreating and lack of reverse function make it much easier to wipe compared to other AT guns if it gets caught off guard. (and wehr has no 6 man crews either for that matter)

Well, my personal take on it is that KT, ele, JT, ISU and these two should NEVER be in the game in the first place, but they are and let's do whatever is needed to keep them niche options instead of wanting to buff them to meta level.

ST might be harder to use then AVRE, but we've seen games where it wrecks everything just as well as AVRE.
This is why I'm saying both are fine.

I see you're also going for a streak on logical fallacies here - now on the menu: anecdotal evidence - the "dude trust me, I've seen it" argument. The best way to refute the facts pointing that AVRE is superior in many aspects to the current ST.

If we want to continue this path of holding casual personal (and extremely vague) testimonies as evidence I assume you are the first one to deduce that since allies won every single one of the UTT2 grand finals they are indeed very OP and need to be nerfed right away (doing anything else would be quite hypocritical don't you think)

Both sides have a unit performing in an identical role. It is nothing but double standards to treat the other very differently balance wise which has been the case so far and it has been pointed out multiple times.

On top there is a poll where you can just simply state that it is okay to AVRE to perform significantly better in the identical role as the Sturmtiger for the exact same price - and it is perfectly fine to think that just based on the gut feeling. I must warn though that this forum has a large variety of not-so-flattering terms reserved for people frantically defending the balance disparity between certain sides without facts.

A few additional things I forgot to include yesterday:

The vet 3 free crit repair on a unit like AVRE is just bonkers - the free engine crit autorepair happens after 15 seconds no matter if the unit is in combat or not and it fixes both normal and heavy engine damage.

In a rarer scenario if multiple engine damage criticals are stacked they all disappear within 15 seconds after receiving the crit. So trying to snare a vet 3 AVRE with a mine or a faust is pretty much wasted effort and the only surefire way to trap an AVRE in place is with a doctrinal riegel mine (good luck OKW getting that riegel with that legendary 221 vet 5 ) All other factions have to risk vehicle crew repairs and trap their vehicles in place or to use USF vehicle crew vet 1 ability and risk exiting the tank to get rid of snares in addition to paying a hefty munitions price of around 40 muni. (besides the vehicle crew vet 1 ability)

The vet 3 neutralizes key gameplay mechanics such as smart mine placement which at minimum is problematic.

I also did a quick test using a KT as a target dummy to see how fast the AVRE and ST got their biggest power spike aka reload buff. (I am sure someone more interested in specifics will provide the specific vet requirements if need be)

For AVRE to reach vet 1 and to get a 30% reload time decrease bonus (which in reality is even bigger due to the reload timer starting at the beginning of the firing animation) it required exactly 2 shots against the KT while the Sturmtiger required 3 shots for the Vet 3 reload time buff. Once again in reality due to the AVRE's ease of use compared to the Sturmtiger the time between the power spike between these units is significant.

I really don't like the way you have worded the poll. Am I saying no that the avre is not in a good spot or am I saying no it dosnt have an advantage over the sturmtiger?

Anyway, I think its range at vet 4 is bugged as well as the increase range for the grenade ability.

The grenade ability is in my opinion, quite good now (I wish you could use it when reloading). Besides fixing the vet I would like to bump up its rotation and increase its acceleration/deceleration slightly as they are very low.

Edgy titles / polls spark more discussion

The real meat of the matter are the facts stated in the post that can be very easily checked making the poll statement edgy but supported by my observations.

I think the ability to frequently delete squads out of nowhere isn't a fun gameplay mechanic since the punishment is so severe for a few seconds of bad reaction time. Especially the AVRE's short reload and lack of animation make it a huge mental strain to keep an eye on. I think the AVRE's vet 1 is a big factor here since it is quite easy to achieve and is such a huge boost to the offensive firepower. (and is one of the very few vet 1 abilities that change the units combat performance instead of adding an ability) Reworking / replacing the vet 1 of the AVRE or shifting the vet between levels might alleviate the issue.

As for the Sturmtiger I'm not quite sure what should be done - all I know is every time I call that unit in the chances of me throwing the game seem to exponentially increase