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CAS got very much buffed in the latest patch.

1.) What kind of doctrine is CAS? It is an infantry heavy doctrine.

2.) Easiest way to counter infantry heavy? Well allies have quite good infantry themselves.

3.) How do you most effectivly win with comparable amount of total manpower? By accheving local parity or superiority.

4)What happens if allies try to push along narrow frontage with multiple units? They get suppressed.
4.1)Instead they must split up to flank MGs, thus surrendering local parity in force.

5.) What counters Germans(Or anyone) if they have a strong force on narrow frontage? Well Indirect fire.

6) What counters indirect fire units? CAS abilites of course!

7.) What safe bet do you have as Allies? Breakthrough tanks I guess.


CAS is simply the commander gaining most from the changes to MGs and Grens. Where I think the problem lies is with two things: The tools availible to CAS to deal with indirect fire units, and the tools they have to prevent the allies from acchiving atleast a parity in local force is way to strong at the moment.

Now before som smartass goes "only stopping blobbing" having a strong local force is not blobbing, it can be blobbing doesn't mean you are blobbing. It means having as many of your barrels as possible fire on the same target.

Allies right now in general, and with CAS in particular needs something that will be able to counterplay a Wehr force forcing them to spread out and messing up their Schwerpunkt. This means the combat opens up and will be more fluid. With both sides trying to acchive local superiority and then counterplayed by the enemy trying to break them up if that happens.


Mortars are a good option but will mean you open up to your mortars being rushed, for the simple reason that you are lacking an effective defensive machinegun as allies.
Before CAS this was instead done a bit later in game with the heavier allied indirect fire units. Now sadly with CAS they can be effectivly countered.


And Please note, I win against CAS and I lose against it, I win with it and I loose with it. I just think this doctrine in particular promotes a very stale game with one side being able to move in close formation and having local superiority at all times, lest a lucky demo or a good arty hit breaks them down.

But I guess this is more of a general problem of the game.

Well @Dusty it would not be a big deal, if the rate of suppression was unique to each firing unit. If you get engaged by a Gren and then by a Mg-42 that would mean suppression would come quicker from the MG-42. At least that is how I understand it. Please let me know if that is incorrect


Nonetheless, Im not saying it is game breaking or anything, but rather than the devs should have been able to foresee the consequences of these changes and that it is disheartening to see them having missed it.

No particular order, my first video ever!

Well I have never seen this happen, and I would understand it when there would be a slight slight chance it would happen when they nade a sqaud or they had their LMG42, but just Vanilla grens surpressing Inf?

Give me a few hours and I'll upload the videos to youtube and post them here

Alright me and Choccy just did a couple of tests.


2 standard grenadiers (unvetted, no LMG) will effectively suppress any soviet squad after about 7 seconds of fighting if the enemy is in red cover. 10 if in neutral. Not possible to suppress using grens (3) if the enemy is in yellow cover or higher.


Blobbing the conscripts diminishes this effect somewhat but only if the Grens do not focus on one specific squad at a time. However the time to suppress an individual squad in the blob did not change. Incremental suppression does not seem to be taken into account.


3 Ostruppen ordered to stay in the same place, blobbing as it were in neutral cover, facing 4 conscripts in green cover will not yield any suppression on the ostruppen. (Conscripts did focus fire) That experiment was repeated. Results were the same.


Effectively 2 conscripts closing in towards two grens, if both sides are in neutral cover the entire time will mean that the conscripts are suppressed one after the other and will not be able to close the distance with the grens.
If they oorha in the grens will still be able to win by suppressing one after the other.

And yes upgrading with LMG will cause their suppression to go down.

So Relic is this WAD or something that should be looked into?