Oh please. I have taken down many tigers with t-34/76s and zis-3. And i have taken down many IS-2s with just PIVS. Learn to micro, and use teller mines. They do help.
Not to mention the PIV is heaps better againts infantry than the t-34/76, you should be able to bleed him quite a bit by killing his infantry.
You could have taken out the is-2 with pak alone if u had enough and engaged promptly.P4 hardly does any dmg to it,beacuse it can't penetrate is2 at all.P4 costs way more than t-34/76 for its infantry performance.I use p4 solely vs light vehicle,t-34/76 rush and mobile infantry bleeding platform/cache raider.Useless for anything else.
As for tellers i double pack them together lategame when i have muni.If i'm using muni conversion even more so.
Btw ur opponent must have been pretty shit to lose is-2s to paks and p4s unless he hit a mine. |
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People talking about pz as if its hot stuff vs soviet.Lol.
The only thing it actually beats is t-34/76 and even thats not certain despite substantial price difference and mp teching disparity.
P4 IS USELESS vs is-2,completely useless..a piece of junk metal.A single shot won't penetrate.Also helpless vs t-34/85...basically no chance vs soviet lategame armor.So t-34/76 isn't the only one that scales badly.
Also soviet fanboys plz explain how pz 4 with teching costs 350 mp and 125 fuel.But t-34/85 no teching at 360 mp and 130 fuel each.Total bullshit,because it beats pz 4 effortlessly.Pz 4 is just vet fodder for allied medium call-ins - e8s and t-34/85s,jacksons,and soviet heavies. |
I am sorry but COH2 was released June 25, 2013 and if you do not know how to counter SU as Ostheer by now than it's a L2P issue. Also, learn to "well micro" your own units before getting your Ostheer infantry wiped and complain on COH2.org, play Allies to improve your micro. Thanks.
What are u talking about?release time has nothing to do with current patch situation.Ostheer of 2013 is nothing compared to now .Every single core unit has been heavily nerfed since then including tech costs and many many soviet units buffed.So make sense if ur trying to make a point. |
Yea, Ostheer does not suffer from insane tech against SU, both factions had their tech cost increased to slow down the pace of the game before WFA, point still stands.
I always build P4 whenever I choose a Tiger doctrine, only n00bs build Panthers with Tiger doctrines and Elephants (defeats the whole purpose of calling in).
Ostheer is fine vs SU. Please stop spitting BS. Thanks.
It does.You know tiger plus pak will lose vs is-2 and zis.Ostheer teching cost is mandatory.SU optional.Ostheer teching cost in manpower is waay more than soviet.
Ost vs soviet is largely balanced but even still soviet at the moment has advantage - well microed conspam is a problem,as is 120 mm mortar,double sniper still a considerable pain,shocks are difficult to counter in a cost effective manner,is-2 is the biggest headache,t-34/85s are superb and soviet artillery is uncounterable for ostheer -any ostheer defensive line can be torn apart by katyushas or b4...laugh at pzwerfer or lefh if u can actually get one.Play ostheer a little more 20 odd 1 vs 1 s with current patch before spouting bullshit yourself. |
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Honestly,got patience for 1 more patch regarding this faction.No more.Might as well delete it in 1 vs 1 mode. |
Quite a few actually, i play 1v1s mostly by the way.
Hey burts,why don't you come to ostheer strategies forums and give us some pro-tips.I mean u can guide us dude..u can pwn usf with 4grens an mg,2 paks and a pz 4...u truly are hot stuff.Australian magic has made some threads there for tips -we are mostly at a loss after a point what to reply,why don't u a pro ost 1 vs 1 regular go help us poor peeps out? |
One PIV + double paks + 4 grens + mg-42 is enough to beat all USF can throw at you. Of course it's not always that simple but that's generally how you do it.
I have no idea what Alexzandvar is rambling about, sure their teching is linear.. so what?
Thanks for the laughs burts,how many matches have you played with ostheer alone without piggybacking a OKW partner this patch buddy? |
1) 280 MP Rifles should out do damage vs 240 MP Grens (Not to mention Rifles reinforcement cost)
2) Free units that require fuel to unlock? Free fuel for OKW to tech first? cant compare apple to oranges.
3) Brutal teching only between T3 - T4; other than its fine.(I am surprised you don't complain about Sov teching but that is bc you only play Osth)
4) Pak had to be nerfed; its ROF was ridiculous and nullified USF medium armor.
1.Then buff mg42.And making grens 5 man won't beat rifle as dps remains SAME.Ostheer needs osme option against earlygame rifle slaughter.
2.Ost tech plus building to t2 which u must vs usf due to light vehicle -wasted manpower.Usf free unit on top of that-enough said.Play ost u'll know how it feels to be outnumbered.
3.Sov only tech 1 building and reliant on all-ins.Ost panther locked out.T3 and T4 both require heavy teching in manpower.Ostheer tech requires highest manpower-around 800.
4.And now ost is near defenseless vs usf light vehicle,and p4 ,stugs useless as usual vs jackson and easy 8. |
I dont see a big issue in ostheer. The only major thing that comes to mind really is the T1 lieut vehicles of USF that put on so much pressure on to you its very hard to maintain map control, other than that its mostly fine. In 1v1 it depends alot on the maps.
And how do you propose to solve that with extreme power rifles vs grens,free units for usf,brutal teching for ost?Unreliable mg42 and nerfed pak to add . |
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Thing is if u refuse to change mg42,then u buff grenadiers to 5 men at same dps.Coz something has to give before rifle ROFLstomp on ost infantry earlygame.No amount of support theories is stopping that right now as is evident from results and tourney. |
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