Fallschirmjager should lose snares

• Can't be forced out of position by long range infantry, because they cloak and therefore cannot be targeted at range if they don't want to be.
  
• Can't be forced out of position by short range infantry because of their high damage and bundle grenade ambush.
  
• Can't be flushed out by light vehicles because it can snare them, rendering them sitting ducks for a Puma or Raktenwerfer.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:11 PMT.R. Stormjäger

What if Falls had an AT grenade that stuns light vehicles for like 3-5 secs, but doesn’t damage them? That way they can’t fight LVs, but if they are caught by one in cloak they can stun and retreat.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:16 PMHon3ynuts

Yes this would provide a better way to scout for invis unit. Additionally right now there is no reason to buy a volk when you can replace it with a fall.

I think it's key to remember when the Game was released and falls had panzerfausts, It was the only unit in the OKW roster that did have faust. Volks had shreks

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:04 PMblvckdream

Removing the Faust would be the obvious thing to do. Falls are still too good overall if you considering 2 CP, moderate price and insane DPS after upgrade. No reason a unit that good vs infantry should have Faust.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:21 PMLago

It was also the old Falls, which didn't have Vet 0 cloaking or First Strike and died when you looked at them funny.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:16 PMLago

Commandos don't have that. Cloaking PGrens don't have that. JLI don't have that. Stormtroopers don't have that. Pathfinders don't have that.

Why should Fallschirmjager?

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:16 PMHon3ynuts

Yes this would provide a better way to scout for invis unit. Additionally right now there is no reason to buy a volk when you can replace it with a fall.

I think it's key to remember when the Game was released and falls had panzerfausts, It was the only unit in the OKW roster that did have faust. Volks had shreks

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:27 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Because Falls alone have to make their doctrine relevant. It’s fine if you wanna campaign for Falls to be just another mediocre Elite infantry unit, but that’s not gonna happen.

• Stuka Smoke Recon
  
• Fallschirmjager
  
• Airdrop Pak 40
  
• Anti-Aircraft Doctrine (bundled Field Defences and Ostwind Flakpanzer)
  
• Stuka Dive Bomb
  

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:32 PMStug life

are u for real ? does the 340 mp cost and 36 reinforce cost get removed ?

by that logic there is no reason to use IS over commando and rifle over para

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:32 PMStug life

are u for real ? does the 340 mp cost and 36 reinforce cost get removed ?

by that logic there is no reason to use IS over commando and rifle over para

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:35 PMLago

Then give the doctrine something else.

Maybe something like this?

• Stuka Smoke Recon
  
• Fallschirmjager
  
• Airdrop Pak 40
  
• Anti-Aircraft Doctrine (bundled Field Defences and Ostwind Flakpanzer)
  
• Stuka Dive Bomb
  

The current Fallschirmjager are a bad design.

'every doctrine and ability must be relevant' is not an excuse for bad mechanics.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:36 PMthedarkarmadillo

Commandos and IS are vastly different from durability to range of engagement
And funny you say rifles and paras because they are so similar that the only reason one wouldn't completely replace rifles with paras is the timing.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:39 PMLago

Commandos are very different units to Sections.

You do replace dead Riflemen with Paratroopers if you've gone Airborne.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:39 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Like I’ve said before, if the balance team wants to remove the faust from Falls and buff the doctrine a bit, I’m 200% all for it.

Your suggestion though would probably cause mass hysteria, it’s quite OP af.

I’d rather see something like:

0CP - Ostwind
2CP - Fallschrimjaegers
4CP - Stuka reconnaissance&smoke run
5CP - Paradrop medical supplies (20 muni, 1 box for AoE healing)
10CP - Airborne Assault

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:44 PMStug life

5 cp lol

at least make it like the ostuppen one : medical supply, pak 40 and mg 34

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:32 PMStug life

are u for real ? does the 340 mp cost and 36 reinforce cost get removed ?

by that logic there is no reason to use IS over commando and rifle over para

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:36 PMthedarkarmadillo

Commandos and IS are vastly different from durability to range of engagement
And funny you say rifles and paras because they are so similar that the only reason one wouldn't completely replace rifles with paras is the timing.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:39 PMT.R. Stormjäger

Your suggestion though would probably cause mass hysteria, it’s quite OP af.

Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2019, 15:41 PMStug life

if u give them 2 bren they are straight up better than 5 men double bren IS