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25 Sep 2019, 13:02 PM
#1
avatar of DerKuhlmann

Posts: 469

What is happening on the balance team atm?

First it was Fallshrims changed into killing machines, so everyone on earth playing Okw plays them.

Next its raketen change which is the hugest okw buff i have ever seen.

"5 man" AT gun which has the "same range as a normal AT gun" AND it "can retreat!"

So balance team, maybe lay down the juice and stop homogenizing every unit in the game...



25 Sep 2019, 13:43 PM
#2
avatar of SturmTigerVorgo

Posts: 307

at your level it's a L2P issue.
25 Sep 2019, 15:23 PM
#3
avatar of KiwiBirb

Posts: 789

Ima have to agree with Vorgo here

It’s hard to LTP though....
25 Sep 2019, 15:31 PM
#4
avatar of aerafield

Posts: 3032 | Subs: 3

Falls are already on the hotfix list.

Raketenwerfer has 5 less range than all other AT guns and no gunshield protection
25 Sep 2019, 16:37 PM
#5
avatar of distrofio

Posts: 2358

I think most people here think that raketen should be 5 man w/o retreat or 4 with it.

Also about falls, they were asked bo receive a buff for a very long time, probably its new lethality will justify a nerf on them and we will see it next patch
25 Sep 2019, 16:45 PM
#6
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979

at your level it's a L2P issue.


Falls arent a l2p issue
26 Sep 2019, 02:15 AM
#7
avatar of FelixTHM

Posts: 503 | Subs: 1

What is happening on the balance team atm?

First it was Fallshrims changed into killing machines, so everyone on earth playing Okw plays them.

Next its raketen change which is the hugest okw buff i have ever seen.

"5 man" AT gun which has the "same range as a normal AT gun" AND it "can retreat!"

So balance team, maybe lay down the juice and stop homogenizing every unit in the game...





By "same range" you mean "less range". Erm okay.

Hugest buff --? 20mp cost increase, in addition to decreased starting mp and Volks cost increase means bringing out the raketen to deal with UC or M3 is even more difficult now.

Can no longer cloak while moving. Stationary camo is gated behind Vet 1, which basically means it has to take multiple engagements with ultra lights and lights, or even mediums. The raketen had 2 strengths. One was retreating, the other was camo. Now it has only one strength left, but in exchange it got some of its many weaknesses slightly mitigated.

A cost increase and losing the best ability in the game in exchange for +1 crew and +5 range is the "hugest buff" to you???

Definitely a l2p issue, since at higher levels of competency removing creeping camo-raks cheese is definitely a huge loss of potency and alpha-strike ability of the raketen. Katyusha and ambulance-sniping raketens are a thing of the past. You can't sneak up on vehicles being repaired anymore.

And that's a good change. But it was definitely a serious nerf to the raketen's potency and not the "hugest buff".
26 Sep 2019, 02:41 AM
#8
avatar of SturmTigerVorgo

Posts: 307

jump backJump back to quoted post25 Sep 2019, 16:45 PMgbem


Falls arent a l2p issue

I said at his level...at your level too
26 Sep 2019, 03:07 AM
#9
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979


I said at his level...at your level too


I used to be rank 300 till i quit abusing penals but ok...
26 Sep 2019, 03:46 AM
#10
avatar of CODGUY

Posts: 888

Fallschrimjagers never should have been changed Raketenwerfer never should have been changed.
26 Sep 2019, 03:58 AM
#11
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979

Falls were underpowered before the buff...
And rakatenwerfers were absolute cancer at high level games...

Besides raks are fine... its falls that are incredibly overpowered
26 Sep 2019, 05:54 AM
#12
avatar of Jae For Jett
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Posts: 1002 | Subs: 2

I think most people here think that raketen should be 5 man w/o retreat or 4 with it.

Then you would be wrong. People were pretty upset when the raketen was 5 man but didn't have retreat.
26 Sep 2019, 06:22 AM
#13
avatar of ullumulu

Posts: 2243

fallis arent this OP unit. they have less dmg than other AI specialists. SO when fallis are OP in AI dps..what is with paras, ober etc?

you only was surprised by them (its their role in this game) or you didn't hit the retreat button fats enough when a player blobb them up (works with all AI specialists)
26 Sep 2019, 09:06 AM
#14
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979

fallis arent this OP unit. they have less dmg than other AI specialists. SO when fallis are OP in AI dps..what is with paras, ober etc?

you only was surprised by them (its their role in this game) or you didn't hit the retreat button fats enough when a player blobb them up (works with all AI specialists)


Since when did obers have stealth faust and airdrop... and since when did paras have a nukenade stealth and a faust?

Also considering you defended JLI as not being OP in the old arguments id say your opinion is not only biased but should also be disregarded
26 Sep 2019, 09:26 AM
#15
avatar of ullumulu

Posts: 2243

jump backJump back to quoted post26 Sep 2019, 09:06 AMgbem


Since when did obers have stealth faust and airdrop... and since when did paras have a nukenade stealth and a faust?

Also considering you defended JLI as not being OP in the old arguments id say your opinion is not only biased but should also be disregarded


i also post enough times that bofors is totally OP and to cheap for its performance while most other told us: no its really ok to shreds armys while cost only 30fuel. and now? they brought it in line with other units with other unit in this price tag.

most ppl here cry ponly because they cant beat fallies anymore with every mainline and fallies do more dps. but no this dps from AI specialists. they are a camo surprise unit. Noone would surprise when a unit is in camo with the dps from a pio.

fallies have less dps than commandos, paras, obers etc....only ppl which was surprised or retreat not fast enough when a enemy decided to blobb up fallies.
26 Sep 2019, 09:39 AM
#16
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979

Lmao the JLI defender is crying that his JLI 2.0 got nerfed... this is why your opinion is irrelevant
26 Sep 2019, 13:23 PM
#17
avatar of ShadowLinkX37
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Posts: 4183 | Subs: 4

what is the point of this thread
26 Sep 2019, 13:26 PM
#18
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979

i think this guy assumes that falls and raks have been overbuffed... honestly i agree with felix here that raks actually seem nerfed in high level games... although falls are ridiculous (and should still lose that faust)
26 Sep 2019, 15:51 PM
#19
avatar of CODGUY

Posts: 888

What is happening on the balance team atm?

First it was Fallshrims changed into killing machines, so everyone on earth playing Okw plays them.

Next its raketen change which is the hugest okw buff i have ever seen.

"5 man" AT gun which has the "same range as a normal AT gun" AND it "can retreat!"

So balance team, maybe lay down the juice and stop homogenizing every unit in the game...





Don't ask questions like this son, people in high places don't like it.
26 Sep 2019, 16:17 PM
#20
avatar of FelixTHM

Posts: 503 | Subs: 1

You mean people with high/top ranks don't like his comment cos it's ill-informed?

The ZIS has 6 men and 60 range. Raketen has 5 man and 55 range.

ZIS has gun shield and barrage, Rak has camo and retreat. Asymmetry doesn't mean either is superior.
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