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11 Sep 2019, 14:01 PM
#141
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 13:54 PMKirrik


Nice argument, too bad Centaurs dont fight T-34s anywhere outside of custom games
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11 Sep 2019, 14:05 PM
#142
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:snfPeter::snfPeter::snfPeter::snfPeter:

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I guess I have to totally believe these perfectly legitimate pieces of proof, I'm sure those were not rigged at all
/s
11 Sep 2019, 14:05 PM
#143
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:00 PMKirrik


"2 ostwinds do not wreck a single T-34 although they cost 200 fuel vs 90"

I think you have a memory problem, you also contradicted yourself in your own post but whatever, thats something expected of you.

You need to practice you English a bit:

"“Rekt”, also known as #rekt, is an Internet slang term which is shorthand for “wrecked,” which is often used in online gaming to indicate that someone has been defeated or embarassed, in a similar vein to the term “pwned” "

2 ostwinds wrecks a conscripts they do not wreck a T-34/76 they have a very low probability to win.
11 Sep 2019, 14:06 PM
#144
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:05 PMKirrik


I guess I have to totally believe these perfectly legitimate pieces of proof, I'm sure those were not rigged at all
/s

im done do ur tests (which u never did)
11 Sep 2019, 14:10 PM
#145
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im done do ur tests (which u never did)

I dont need to. I know pen and rof stats of Ostwind and Centaur and I've seen Ostwind performance in live game often enough to make my own conclusions. You can keep up with whataboutism and raging but it still wont change my point about Ostwind being overtuned
11 Sep 2019, 14:15 PM
#146
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:10 PMKirrik

I dont need to. I know pen and rof stats of Ostwind and Centaur and I've seen Ostwind performance in live game often enough to make my own conclusions. You can keep up with whataboutism and raging but it still wont change my point about Ostwind being overtuned


https://imgur.com/a/gjSc74m

now stfu kid

4 simultaneous test u can see it on the mini map , 1 p4 won

start

finish

now come and say this is rigged too
11 Sep 2019, 14:19 PM
#147
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:10 PMKirrik

I dont need to. I know pen and rof stats of Ostwind and Centaur and I've seen Ostwind performance in live game often enough to make my own conclusions. You can keep up with whataboutism and raging but it still wont change my point about Ostwind being overtuned


Think you're looking for this answer Stug.
11 Sep 2019, 14:21 PM
#148
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https://imgur.com/a/gjSc74m

now stfu kid

4 simultaneous test u can see it on the mini map


So 2 centaurs barely managed to take down P4 at point blank range? You realize with centaur speed thats impossible scenario as it's much slower than P4 and has much higher pen drop than Ostwind.
Now try using that brain of yours and do the same test at med or long ranges.
11 Sep 2019, 14:29 PM
#149
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:21 PMKirrik


So 2 centaurs barely managed to take down P4 at point blank range? You realize with centaur speed thats impossible scenario as it's much slower than P4 and has much higher pen drop than Ostwind.
Now try using that brain of yours and do the same test at med or long ranges.


u did some test at long range with ostwind ? no u did nothing


ostwind lsoes 15-5 pen at long medium and low
Penetration near
55
Penetration mid
40
Penetration far
35
centaur loses 5 pen

Penetration near
30
Penetration mid
25
Penetration far
20

now 5 >15 great logic

and in a realistic scenario tanks move, guess who has 100 % accuracy on the move vs tanks ? spoiler not ostwind
11 Sep 2019, 14:34 PM
#150
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u did some test at long range with ostwind ? no u did nothing


ostwind lsoes 15-5 pen at long medium and low
Penetration near
55
Penetration mid
40
Penetration far
35
centaur loses 5 pen

Penetration near
30
Penetration mid
25
Penetration far
20

now 5 >15 great logic

and in a realistic scenario tanks move, guess who has 100 % accuracy on the move vs tanks ? spoiler not ostwind


So 35 is worse than 20 pen and 40 damage is worse than 14? Okay, I think I had enough of this, I can have more meaningful convesations with my cat than this joke
11 Sep 2019, 14:36 PM
#151
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:34 PMKirrik


So 35 is worse than 20 pen and 40 damage is worse than 14? Okay, I think I had enough of this, I can have more meaningful convesations with my cat than this joke
jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:21 PMKirrik


So 2 centaurs barely managed to take down P4 at point blank range? You realize with centaur speed thats impossible scenario as it's much slower than P4 and has much higher pen drop than Ostwind.
Now try using that brain of yours and do the same test at med or long ranges.
much higher pen drop than Ostwind.

much higher pen drop than Ostwind.
much higher pen drop than Ostwind.

do u even think before u write ?

btw it's 40 damage vs 14x 8 as each burst is 8 shoots

and u even said u know stats :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
11 Sep 2019, 14:43 PM
#152
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much higher pen drop than Ostwind.

much higher pen drop than Ostwind.
much higher pen drop than Ostwind.

do u even think before u write ?

btw it's 40 damage vs 14x 8 as each burst is 8 shoots

and u even said u know stats :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


You realize even if centaur fires in burst it's ROF is different from Ostwind? So for one burst there will be several Ostwind shots. And having 40 damage shells with steady RoF is better than burst of 14 damage with 20 pen? Seriously this discussion is going nowhere because you cant seem to figure out my point - Ostwinds AT performance isnt the issue - it's symptom.
11 Sep 2019, 14:50 PM
#153
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:43 PMKirrik


You realize even if centaur fires in burst it's ROF is different from Ostwind? So for one burst there will be several Ostwind shots. And having 40 damage shells with steady RoF is better than burst of 14 damage with 20 pen? Seriously this discussion is going nowhere because you cant seem to figure out my point - Ostwinds AT performance isnt the issue - it's symptom.

so having 40 damage 35 pen is better than 112 damage and 20 pen with similar rof ?

even tho the test show other wise ?
11 Sep 2019, 14:56 PM
#154
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so having 40 damage 35 pen is better than 112 damage and 20 pen with similar rof ?

even tho the test show other wise ?


Because Centaur fires bursts with same RoF as Ostwind fires singular shell, right? I think I wasted enough time with you already, even arguing with Vipper is more productive than repeating same points and arguments in circle (and I already did that in previous Ostwind thread anyway)
11 Sep 2019, 15:32 PM
#155
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Sep 2019, 14:56 PMKirrik


Because Centaur fires bursts with same RoF as Ostwind fires singular shell, right? I think I wasted enough time with you already, even arguing with Vipper is more productive than repeating same points and arguments in circle (and I already did that in previous Ostwind thread anyway)

PLS keep my name out of it.
11 Sep 2019, 15:54 PM
#156
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Think you're looking for this answer Stug.


Didnt you also suggest nerfing ostwind on the first page?
11 Sep 2019, 15:56 PM
#157
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Didnt you also suggest nerfing ostwind on the first page?
hey defender of balance do u agree with everything kirk said and that i rigged the test ? or do u come here only to bash on anyone that disagree with allied fan bois ?
11 Sep 2019, 15:58 PM
#158
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hey defender of balance do u agree with everything kirk said and that i rigged the test ? or do u come here only to bash on anyone that disagree with allied fan bois ?


You really need to take a deep breath dude. Jesus Christ
11 Sep 2019, 16:01 PM
#159
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Didnt you also suggest nerfing ostwind on the first page?


Yep. My point is though, Kirrik has said himself that he isn't interested in changing his opinion. So it's pretty pointless to for Stug life to keep trying to prove to him they're roughly equal in performance.
11 Sep 2019, 16:08 PM
#160
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That's valid

@Stug look at the older ostwind thread if you're that worried that I agree with Kirrick. It's pretty obvious...
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