Soviet September patch discussion

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2019, 19:06 PMCreativeName

cons - t2 - t3 - t70 = 10 fuel cheaper. Did you even read what i wrote?

Why would you back tech t1 when you already have t2 and t3 up? for a 10 min m3? you dont see it cause it doesnt make sense. t2 back tech with penals makes sense for the at guns and mgs.

All im asking for is to not tripple buff con builds, they are strong enough - especially considering the okw nerfs

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2019, 19:27 PMgbem

https://www.coh2.org/topic/94292/what-do-people-think-of-conscripts-after-the-patch

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2019, 19:45 PMgeneral_gawain

I can give this back: Did you even read what I wrote?

I said T1 and T2 timing pf T70 is now the same. i said: "It just doesn't matter now if you build T1 or T2 first, timing is the same."

Yeah that means that T70 is 10 fuel faster when you go Cons+T2>T3 and such as fast as T1>T3 was always. But this is not entirely true, because you will have a hard time to fend off fast vehicle/tank play without the AT grenade, when you have to rely on ZIS only. If he flanks you well you are nailed. So you will most probably build the AT-grenade sidetech to help out your ZIS with the cons. Still penals into T3 has the T70 as fast as T2 without AT-grenade. And we all now penal build into T70 is insanely popular. This patch tries to give an alternative. And in the end T70 isn't faster on the map as you will see it atm in most matches.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2019, 20:04 PMthedarkarmadillo

Also t2+ cons means using cons and maxims we all know how fantastic a combo that makes...

Can't shoot and can't suppress team up one more time in "pay the same as them but get much worse units the prequel"

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2019, 20:03 PMJibberJabberJobber

How many on there are actually top players with all factions like creativename?

I agree with creativename, hold back changes to 7 men cons timing for now and wait how the meta develops after patch. The 7 men upgrade makes conscripts not only win most fights against upgraded Grens and Volks, but also makes them crazy cost efficient at it. It should stay a late game upgrade imo.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2019, 20:03 PMJibberJabberJobber

How many on there are actually top players with all factions like creativename?

I agree with creativename, hold back changes to 7 men cons timing for now and wait how the meta develops after patch. The 7 men upgrade makes conscripts not only win most fights against upgraded Grens and Volks, but also makes them crazy cost efficient at it. It should stay a late game upgrade imo.

I see most players at my level going good old conscript builds again, atleast versus my Ostheer. Players like 4res, PGA, orangepest, etc.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2019, 20:50 PMCreativeName

Atleast half of the 1v1 Top10 uses conscripts at the moment, they are viable. I dont know about 3v3/4v4 and i honestly dont care.
I dont want to nerf cons but any additional buff might push them over the top.
Dunno why you would complain about the maxim too, it does its job at supressing, is very durable thanks to 6man crew and mobile. It deserves its small buff imo.
Overall Soviets have the best combined arms imo, doesnt matter if you use cons or penals

Buffing con builds while nerfing okw wont end very well

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2019, 21:15 PMgbem

The last 1v1 tourney ive seen mostly involved penals openings though... thats not to say conscript openings are useless... but they are generally disadvantaged against the more cost efficient volksgrenadier... or even wehrmacht unless they outclass their opponent...

They can be used to great effect but its more of an uphill battle as opposed to a penal opener... especially when everyone gets their weapon upgrades while you dont get yours until T4...


Hence the switch to T3 is good for the nonmeta builds (stock cons/t2)... all thats really needed now is to tone down the core of the meta build to compensate (penals)

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2019, 21:27 PMDevM

The last 1v1 tourney you saw mostly involved penal openings because it was literally the only thing that worked against OKW due to the M3. Things are fine as they are right now, cons and penals are both in a nice spot imo.

Jump back to quoted post18 Aug 2019, 21:35 PMgbem

Are you referring to the patch? Or in their current state? If it is the latter... then afaik volks/sturms/stock cons remained untouched for quite a long time...which has always been a losing fight for stock cons... especially vs stg volks... and 7 man cons comes waay to late to save the game at T4

Not sure how the volks nerfs change this dynamic though... but do note that lmg grens and stg volks still come earlier than 7 man cons even at T3

Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2019, 11:33 AMgbem

Did u compare it to a hulldown panther aswell? Or just the non hulldown panther?

Jump back to quoted post19 Aug 2019, 11:31 AMullumulu

new KV1 is so bullsh***.

it wins vs panther when sitting like a duck in the sand...and have 40% life after killing it