Soviet September patch discussion

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:16 AMelchino7

The nerf on Volks won't change the dynamic. If anything changes it, are the PPSH and 7th man on T3.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 07:00 AMelchino7

Moderator hat on: you guys get a room for yourselves (PM). There's gonna be a lot of activity in this threads so please, try to up your game a bit and don't comment like you would in any other day in the balance section. What you guys are doing is just polluting the thread and making reading feedback harder.



Ontopic:

Just in case people don't understand the maxim change. Suppression against single squads is unchanged. What they are trying to accomplish is that a blob charging shoulder to shoulder should be easier to suppress.
Single squad or slightly spread blob won't care at all.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:39 AMBalanced_Gamer

Nerf the Maxims survivability for better surpression.

Why is this change hurtful for many to bear.

It is the intention of avoiding spam but in the process of making it viable.

Beginning with 5 man and add more suppression accordingly.

If none wants that, why even discuss other solution when this is clearly the only proper way.


The only deathloop there would be is constant ongoing discussions about "What to do about Maxim".

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:40 AMaaa

If(?) they decided cons needs buff it better be slightest ~1% buff to vet0 at long range to force retreat of mgs from the side of their arc. Since getting close to mg is ussually not possible.

This Con upgrade at t3 is no no. It would disbalance everithing
It can be at T3 for 70 muni and with 20mp for reinforcement. So you wont be upgrading more than 3 squads.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:44 AMStug life

Again with the least survivable , it’s not stop ur bias

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:45 AMgbem

4 man maxims would be the least survivable MG ingame since it has the worst pickup animation of the deathloop MGs

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:48 AMStug life

yes as 4 men , now it’s has better durability while no retreat and equal when retreating thanks to the 2 more men

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:52 AMgbem

again you display cognitive dissonance as to how the deathloop works... it doesnt matter if its 5 man 6 man 7 man or even a 50 man squad... once the deathloop starts it CANNOT RECOVER


also it doesnt change the fact that the maxim is THE EASIEST MG TO FORCE WIPE... as there is a RELIABLE method to force the deathloop

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 06:20 AMSerrith

I'm sorry but in the situation you are highlighting I'm not convinced a non deathloop mg would survive it either. If you have tons of indirect fire, nades and a blob hitting an mg, I dont care what mg it is, it is going to die.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 06:20 AMSerrith

The main issue with the deathloop is when the model pushing the maxim is continually getting sniped most often due to small arms. When you say you can trigger the deathloop intentionally i assumed you meant you could somehow force your squads to target the correct model every time through some micro trick.
Any fool can throw a huge blob at an mg and wipe it before it can get out of range.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 06:20 AMSerrith

I do not think the 6 man weapon team is there to compensate for the deathloop otherwise why do soviet at guns and mortars also have 6 men? This is more of a Soviet themed thing.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 06:20 AMSerrith

My suggestion would be something along the lines of giving the maxim gunner a universal cover on retreat sort of like how at guns provide directional green cover to the crew.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:56 AMStug life

so the reliable method is flame nade

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:56 AMStug life

and only if the mg stay long enough, just like other mgs

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:56 AMStug life

Btw deathloop can still save itself, u need a bit of luck but if they don’t target the gunner then it’s fine

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:29 AMthedarkarmadillo

Does this mean that the inability to stop even a single squad frontally unless spotted and preloaded vet only rounds vs an enemy with no cover headed right at it is intended?

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:03 PMelchino7

No, it just show how the concept of a mobile pseudo LMG with suppression has been horrible conceived and we have to suffer it since beta days of CoH2.

It shows that however many official balance teams or directors and many community people involved haven't been able to reach a middle point with Maxim in whether it's not too strong nor it's too weak. Cause even when individually it was weak, it was still strong when spammed or against a single faction.


Some consider that bringing it down to 5 man will open more solutions to the problem, but at the end of the day it would be the same approach they did with both 120mm and the Pack Howie. It didn't fix shit and was more a placebo thing.

Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:05 PMDangerous-Cloth

Hm won't this make 7 men cons come a bit too quickly?