PaK accuracy against decrewed ATG, SU accuracy against PaK
22 Oct 2013, 17:50 PM
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PaKs are very good (have never seen them miss) at killing decrewed soviet at guns. SU-85s seem very good at killing paks (the gun itself), crewed or otherwise. It doesn't seem like these units should counter each other in this manner.
22 Oct 2013, 18:18 PM
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AT guns have 350 hp and a target size of 20. for an su85 to kill a crewed AT gun, it has to get lucky and scatter into the gun 3 times. ive very rarely had this happen to me in a single engagement. repairing your paks with pios in between fighting will help reduce your chance of losing a pak.
destroying decrewed AT guns is much easier because target size is used then. this gives tank/AT guns a 20x accuracy bonus, so they dont have to rely on luck with scatter.
destroying decrewed AT guns is much easier because target size is used then. this gives tank/AT guns a 20x accuracy bonus, so they dont have to rely on luck with scatter.
23 Oct 2013, 01:28 AM
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AT guns have 350 hp and a target size of 20. for an su85 to kill a crewed AT gun, it has to get lucky and scatter into the gun 3 times. ive very rarely had this happen to me in a single engagement. repairing your paks with pios in between fighting will help reduce your chance of losing a pak.
destroying decrewed AT guns is much easier because target size is used then. this gives tank/AT guns a 20x accuracy bonus, so they dont have to rely on luck with scatter.
Well either your stats are wrong or what the stats actually are, are not replicated in game. I for one have killed numerous Paks by just shooting them in face with two SU85's, and they are not getting lucky with scatter they direct hit most of the time.
23 Oct 2013, 22:56 PM
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His stats are correct, you don't know how the scatter mechanics work.
The scatter stats of Su-85s are much better than most other tanks.
Because it nearly always rolls a "miss" against the crew men, which are likely to be on the other side of the AT gun, it will do a scatter shot basically every time.
Because of a low scatter angle (little deviation to the left or right) the shot is likely to pass through the gun.
The crewman standing behind the gun means that more of the potential area to be hit is also behind the gun.
The AT gun is a shot blocking object so if a shot passes through it, it will be hit. Exceptions are when the shot goes very short (and thus doesn't pass through the gun) or when the shot goes very far, in which case the shot will go over/through it).
Overall, this means Su-85s are more likely to hit the gun compared to other tanks. If the AT gun is repaired between engagements, the Su-85 still won't be able to destroy it so easily. However, since you say you use two Su-85s, this of course doubles the number of shots, meaning you'll land more hits, destroying it quicker.
The bug when the Su-85 was targeting the gun instead of the crew was fixed a few patches ago.
The scatter stats of Su-85s are much better than most other tanks.
Because it nearly always rolls a "miss" against the crew men, which are likely to be on the other side of the AT gun, it will do a scatter shot basically every time.
Because of a low scatter angle (little deviation to the left or right) the shot is likely to pass through the gun.
The crewman standing behind the gun means that more of the potential area to be hit is also behind the gun.
The AT gun is a shot blocking object so if a shot passes through it, it will be hit. Exceptions are when the shot goes very short (and thus doesn't pass through the gun) or when the shot goes very far, in which case the shot will go over/through it).
Overall, this means Su-85s are more likely to hit the gun compared to other tanks. If the AT gun is repaired between engagements, the Su-85 still won't be able to destroy it so easily. However, since you say you use two Su-85s, this of course doubles the number of shots, meaning you'll land more hits, destroying it quicker.
The bug when the Su-85 was targeting the gun instead of the crew was fixed a few patches ago.
24 Oct 2013, 06:33 AM
#5

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His stats are correct, you don't know how the scatter mechanics work.
The scatter stats of Su-85s are much better than most other tanks.
Because it nearly always rolls a "miss" against the crew men, which are likely to be on the other side of the AT gun, it will do a scatter shot basically every time.
Because of a low scatter angle (little deviation to the left or right) the shot is likely to pass through the gun.
The crewman standing behind the gun means that more of the potential area to be hit is also behind the gun.
The AT gun is a shot blocking object so if a shot passes through it, it will be hit. Exceptions are when the shot goes very short (and thus doesn't pass through the gun) or when the shot goes very far, in which case the shot will go over/through it).
Overall, this means Su-85s are more likely to hit the gun compared to other tanks. If the AT gun is repaired between engagements, the Su-85 still won't be able to destroy it so easily. However, since you say you use two Su-85s, this of course doubles the number of shots, meaning you'll land more hits, destroying it quicker.
The bug when the Su-85 was targeting the gun instead of the crew was fixed a few patches ago.
So, in the end it's too accurate vs Pak's. Cheers.
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