Jackson needs some more buffs

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 11:13 AMEsxile

Same for the panther, tiger, king tiger, churchill etc... even the OKW Pz4 could be included into this list.

People are simply focusing too much on the Jackson in a vacuum and don't want to look a the faction as a whole. The Jackson is the only mobile dedicated AT unit USF have and this is the root issue of what the Jackson is today. Adding that the second AT unit USF have is locked behind a optional tech make the USF faction overly depending on Jackson to be its bread and butter for AT.

Note that Ranger's change with super-zook gave new opportunities to USF players (at least on 1vs1) to be less dependent on Jackson to counter medium tanks and Panthers.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:10 PMEsxile

Counter play already exists. They are on foot. pfaust, mines, shreck in combination with a whatever tank you have since any single tank with at perf in this game can win vs the Jackson.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:11 PMStug life

???

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:17 PMEsxile

Update your game maybe. Pz4 fire faster than the Jackson and both need 4 shots to be down. We're not in front of a sherman / panther situation where you seriously need some luck to win with your sherman.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:31 PMMazianni

Seems like just nerfing the M36's armor a bit would work for balancing it versus mediums. Not like these things were heavily armored in real life.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:31 PMMazianni

Seems like just nerfing the M36's armor a bit would work for balancing it versus mediums. Not like these things were heavily armored in real life.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:34 PMStug life

that does not change that it can still easily out run them

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:35 PMCODGUY

It's already balanced vs mediums. You can already kill it with schreks and AT guns why the hell do you feel entitled to be able to kill it with tanks too? It is a tank destroyer but you people are mad that it can destroy tanks lol!

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:38 PMMazianni

I mean, the M36 was quite a bit faster in real life, the speed being mostly equivalent here, and you've always got blitz.
The muni expenditure to hunt down a M36 seems perfectly valid considering it takes muni to defeat heavy tanks anyway.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:38 PMMazianni

I mean, the M36 was quite a bit faster in real life

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:40 PMStug life

then why did u want to nerf ostwind AI capabilities ? i mean it's a anti infantry tank why the hell do you feel entitled to be able to kill it with infantry too ?

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:35 PMCODGUY

It's already balanced vs mediums. You can already kill it with schreks and AT guns why the hell do you feel entitled to be able to kill it with tanks too? It is a tank destroyer but you people are mad that it can destroy tanks lol!

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 19:55 PMDoomlord52

Easiest fixes are either bringing its moving acc down to match every other TD in the game, or reducing its speed to match similar TDs (panther?), so it can't speed around/past everything in the game.



In real life no WW2-era tank could hit anything when firing on the move. It's also a game, so gameplay > realism.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 20:01 PMthedarkarmadillo

*Ahem*
Su85, su76, jp4, elefant, Jagdtiger, furefly, stug, maybe even the m10 because of health (although it is quite mobile) all can be chased down and ended if unsupported by a single medium by exploitable weakeness. Should they be able to fend off tanks that get the drop on them as well? I'd love to see the whine thread from you if any axis tdhad a fighting chance of not only surviving but coming out ontop of a flank. They all also can be killed by infantry of course. The Jackson has the tools it needed to survive while actually being squishy-it can out run and out gun. It's better on the move than it's adversary as well.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 20:04 PMMazianni

Agreed on all this until the the point about all other TDs not surviving MT flanks.

Good luck flanking a Panther with a Sherman and winning.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 20:01 PMthedarkarmadillo

*Ahem*
Su85, su76, jp4, elefant, Jagdtiger, furefly, stug, maybe even the m10 because of health (although it is quite mobile) all can be chased down and ended if unsupported by a single medium by exploitable weakeness. Should they be able to fend off tanks that get the drop on them as well? I'd love to see the whine thread from you if any axis tdhad a fighting chance of not only surviving but coming out ontop of a flank. They all also can be killed by infantry of course. The Jackson has the tools it needed to survive while actually being squishy-it can out run and out gun. It's better on the move than it's adversary as well.

Jump back to quoted post2 Aug 2019, 20:14 PMCODGUY

Have you ever heard of a Panther?