British balance - Tommy too strong

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 18:02 PMNoinga

Fine, the infantry section is super OP i will admit it. You see, im UKF player and have been desperately trying to cover the power of the infantry section. But to my disdain the high intelligence individuals in this thread absolutely destroyed my argument with "what if X has blank when Y happens?" So i will reluctantly supply a balance solution. The infantry section should be given no rifles at the start of the game and pay 200 munitions to upgrade to lee enfields. This will allow better counters to be made against the section. However if this is not enough I highly recommend lowering squad size to 3 models. I believe this is the only way to truly balance the disgustingly OP infantry section.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 18:00 PMinsaneHoshi

Erm, IS would usualy win such an engagement. And requires what 300 MP and 40 fuel to do so? SMH

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 18:06 PMinsaneHoshi

Do you exist in a binary world where units are super OP or balanced? Because only in such a world does the above make sense.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 14:50 PMGI John 412

I love how there are dozens of posts arguing about unit A vs unit B with replies all over the place, yet when I make a viable suggestion that could actually solve the underlying issue of Infantry Sections the only reply I get “is make them all tankhunters lololol”.

So let’s hear some solutions and talk about problem solving instead of just complaining about unit A is op while unit B is up and it’s not FAIR!

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 18:15 PMSupport Sapper

3 STG volk shred 3 unupgrade tommy. 5 man tommy required 35 fuel, bren required 15 fuel, meaning total of 50 fuel. I strongly believe that 50 is more than 40, and Volk upgrade follows OKW main tech, not side tech.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 18:19 PMNoinga

Jokes on you, I was only pretending to be retarded.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 15:53 PMNaOCl

I think you're forgetting that tommies get a cover bonus.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 17:05 PMDangerous-Cloth

Well that doesn't suit his agenda, so no, he is just selective with his memory.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 18:39 PMinsaneHoshi

You know you can always go to the steamforums if you want to shitpost.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 18:55 PMNoinga

Your entire argument is a shitpost. Instead actually accepting their strengths and weaknesses you just put out some retarded scenario so I make a retarded solution to your retarded scenario. Then you make an entire new retarded scenario to counter. You waste my time I waste yours

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 19:04 PMinsaneHoshi

Erm I made no scenario, that was you. I encourage you to read the previous posts

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 19:10 PMNoinga

So I offered a solution.

• A Scenario
  
• Not a Scenario
  

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 19:11 PMinsaneHoshi

A solution is

• A Scenario
  
• Not a Scenario
  

Please pick one.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 15:53 PMNaOCl

I think you're forgetting that tommies get a cover bonus.

- Lee Enfield damage from 16 to 14 to reduce burst potential (5x16=80 damage = one model's health) and to slightly reduce their DPS versus heavy cover;
- Lee Enfield accuracy increased to have the same total DPS as before;

- Target size from 0.8 to 0.9 to reduce their durability in the open;
- Instead, they now get a Received Accuracy bonus when in cover. This gives them back their 0.8 TA but only when in cover;

- Healing disabled in neutral or enemy territory to keep their momentum more in check.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 19:41 PMSander93

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Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 19:41 PMSander93

Let's see if we can get this discussion back on track a bit. Here's what we currently have in mind for the next patch:

We acknowledge that Infantry Sections are overperforming, but that they are also the cornerstone of the UKF, so we'd like more to alter them rather than straight up nerf them. Still, some other units will probably get a minor buff to compensate for this.

Preliminary changes:


Additionally, we might look into fixing the reduced range for their grenade when suppressed (which currently doesn't work) and reduce the sight bonus that the pyrotechnics upgrade gives to make blobs less powerful.


From the few tests I did, Tommies still felt strong in cover but more vulnerable when caught in the open by OKW infantry. They also felt less powerful against LMG Grenadiers in the open and when in cover. With these changes I felt like needing to get weapon racks and double Brens to keep the edge over upgraded Axis infantry, which is currently not the case in live. Bolstered and upgraded IS still dominated infantry engagements.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 19:41 PMSander93

Let's see if we can get this discussion back on track a bit. Here's what we currently have in mind for the next patch:

We acknowledge that Infantry Sections are overperforming, but that they are also the cornerstone of the UKF, so we'd like more to alter them rather than straight up nerf them. Still, some other units will probably get a minor buff to compensate for this.

Preliminary changes:


Additionally, we might look into fixing the reduced range for their grenade when suppressed (which currently doesn't work) and reduce the sight bonus that the pyrotechnics upgrade gives to make blobs less powerful.


From the few tests I did, Tommies still felt strong in cover but more vulnerable when caught in the open by OKW infantry. They also felt less powerful against LMG Grenadiers in the open and when in cover. With these changes I felt like needing to get weapon racks and double Brens to keep the edge over upgraded Axis infantry, which is currently not the case in live. Bolstered and upgraded IS still dominated infantry engagements.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 20:21 PMinsaneHoshi

Do you know their out of cover penalties off the top of your head?

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2019, 21:01 PMSuperHansFan

Wasn't these changes attempted and reverted in the testmod before Brits got a snare? I seem to remember OKW walking all over them with luch and volk spam and Brits were dead in tourney play. The only thing that has changed since then is the RE snare.

You have to be extremely careful going with the "force Brits to sink MP and fuel into Bren and five man tech" approach if you ask me, especially after a patch where pgrens and T2 skip into ostwind is now a thing.

Also there's things that hamper Brits that still haven't been fixed for years like the lack of units to push vs sandbags/buildings with no flamer or mortar. Comet vet that sucks and sniper aim time that needs being put on par with Ost or sov one for countersnipes.

I would like to see an entire rework to adjust OP and UP UKF units if IS get nerfed not piecemeal changes. Change the upgrade structure and look at fuel timings, give Brits a flame weapon that's not sucky like the wasp or god forbid an actual mortar team nondoc.