Command p4

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 17:27 PMStug life

Ok up until someone pointed out that the change never applied no one said a word about this unit, the moment u found out , it’s a problem? If this is not confirmation bias I don’t know what it is

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 17:27 PMStug life

Ok up until someone pointed out that the change never applied no one said a word about this unit, the moment u found out , it’s a problem? If this is not confirmation bias I don’t know what it is

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 18:09 PMShadowLinkX37

I don't see the comparison of rangers vs command p4. Yeah they both have(had) damage reduction, but rangers were also buffed AND compensated for the damage reduction removal. Here you're just talking about nerfing the damage reduction on the p4 which would make a not so prominent unit even less prominent.

The unit isn't bad, but isn't meta breaking like it was with mobile defense.

Also the command p4 is an AI tank and with it now competing with the new and improved ostwind it's not a very large surprise it went further down the meta ladder.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 18:02 PMddd

Wow just like with rangers! Nobody had any problem with their damage reduction but then balance team found out that rangers have it and decided to remove it instead of adding "has damage reduction" to unit description. Im looking forward to similar treatment with command p4!

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 18:09 PMShadowLinkX37

I don't see the comparison of rangers vs command p4. Yeah they both have(had) damage reduction, but rangers were also buffed AND compensated for the damage reduction removal. Here you're just talking about nerfing the damage reduction on the p4 which would make a not so prominent unit even less prominent.

The unit isn't bad, but isn't meta breaking like it was with mobile defense.

Also the command p4 is an AI tank and with it now competing with the new and improved ostwind it's not a very large surprise it went further down the meta ladder.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 17:27 PMStug life

Ok up until someone pointed out that the change never applied no one said a word about this unit, the moment u found out , it’s a problem? If this is not confirmation bias I don’t know what it is

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 18:09 PMShadowLinkX37

Here you're just talking about nerfing the damage reduction on the p4 which would make a not so prominent unit even less prominent.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 19:00 PMStug life

actually the p4 ai is better than the command p4 ai even with the faster fire rate

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 19:02 PMSkysTheLimit

Your logic here is pretty terrible. If it was getting nerfed in the first place then someone was most certainly "saying a word" about the unit....

It also ignores the entire argument about the unit itself and is completely irrelevant, but it's also just flat out wrong.
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The aura is most certainly OP. That doesn't mean we can't buff other aspects of the unit and make it better so losing the aura doesn't render the unit unusable

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 19:20 PMShadowLinkX37

IIRC the scatter on the OST p4 is way worse than the command p4, which makes it worse in AI.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 19:21 PMStug life

it only has 80 damage but same damage profile for aoe so it's a bit worse
commad
AOE Radius
2.5
Distance near
0.75
Distance mid
1.25
Distance far
1.875
Damage near
80
Damage mid
28
Damage far
4
normal
AOE Radius
2.5
Distance near
0.75
Distance mid
1.25
Distance far
1.875
Damage near
160
Damage mid
56
Damage far
8

the scatter and reload are better but even if it hits it rarely kill a model

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 20:47 PMpvtgooner

Wow, all the usual axis posters are defending balance team for not fixing the unit, what a surprise. ShadowAxis here doesnt even understand the comparison of a damage reduction passive to a....damage reduction passive! clearly this is more allies crybaby and we should all L2P. #alliesOP

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 21:18 PMStug life

Here some old thread from after the balance pathc
just search for command p4, people already realized it, but it was never changed cause it's not op, it was a problem with the old puma doctrine but that was nerfed to the ground so i think they reverted the changes to the C p4
btw nobody was complaining about the p4 after the changes in the threads
https://www.coh2.org/topic/85687/what-exactly-does-the-panzer-iv-command-tank-do


and again to people saying permanent aura is op, the ukf command aura exist with no problem, and it gives even a plane

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 21:18 PMStug life

snip

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 21:37 PMSkysTheLimit

Can you stop with the straw men argument about what other people are saying? And actually talk about the unit?

Tell me why it needs to effect allies units in team games. It massively increases the value of the unit while still costing the same

I think all aura abilities should be reworked. That one single sentence just invalidated your entire argument about "this is only the command p4"

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 21:51 PMStug life

tell me why it should not ? Cause nobody told me anything about why ? Other than "I don't like it", does it make units too durable ? Any way to show it

Jump back to quoted post16 Jul 2019, 21:56 PMSkysTheLimit

I just said why are you blind? Read the post again. Unit costs the same but it's value is much much more

Opel trucks used to work for allies. That was removed. It's too much synergy. Similar issue here

I've also already said that auras promote blobbing, hence why they should ALL go.