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24 Jun 2019, 17:20 PM
#201
avatar of aaa

Posts: 1487

Game is not even supported by lelic devs. But by a group of amateuers without basic knowleadge.

All the changes must be tested via test mode for several months and thousands of high level games.
24 Jun 2019, 18:44 PM
#202
avatar of Stug life

Posts: 4474






Yeah instead you'll whine about an argument from one person as if the entire community supports it. Do you at least agree the Ostwind might need a cost increase? *
yes make it 300 mp and 95 fu or decrease its speed
25 Jun 2019, 11:45 AM
#203
avatar of Felinewolfie

Posts: 868 | Subs: 5

It could always do this. I remember doing troll builds of only Ostwinds back in 2015 in 1v1 for fun. They (3 to 4) could pretty easily fend off a T34 or 2 to 3. The point now is that you tested it in a vacuum where nothing else is added.

Wanna laugh? You can add the reload and suppression bulletin to the ostwind and give it even more insane performance lol.


I remember 6-8 Ostwind packs back in 2004.
Massive Ostwind blobs was def a thing in 4v4 COH1.
Bonus: Only... 40? Were built :)
25 Jun 2019, 12:58 PM
#204
avatar of Dangerous-Cloth

Posts: 2066



I remember 6-8 Ostwind packs back in 2004.
Massive Ostwind blobs was def a thing in 4v4 COH1.
Bonus: Only... 40? Were built :)


2004?!

So what? T70 had only 2 crew yet it moves so expert like and fires like a chaingun.
26 Jun 2019, 08:59 AM
#205
avatar of Loren

Posts: 107



Maybe the word you seek is "reliable" instead of 'best'. A single Pz4 shot is as effective as shermans AP.


No.
All Sherman's AP rounds AoE radius : 2
Pz4 AP rounds AoE radius : 2.5

not 'as', more.
26 Jun 2019, 10:29 AM
#206
avatar of Lago

Posts: 3260

jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 08:59 AMLoren
No.
All Sherman's AP rounds AoE radius : 2
Pz4 AP rounds AoE radius : 2.5

not 'as', more.


Sherman HE rounds AoE radius: 4.

Why are you shooting infantry with the Sherman's AP rounds again?
26 Jun 2019, 10:44 AM
#207
avatar of Spanky
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The Ostwind is fine, finally.
26 Jun 2019, 11:02 AM
#208
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 10:29 AMLago


Sherman HE rounds AoE radius: 4.

Why are you shooting infantry with the Sherman's AP rounds again?

Because you can engage tanks with minimal loss in AI. it's less for sure, but not really enough to warrant being at a loss if a tank turns up. It's certainly not a AT tank level of drawback (0.75 radius) so it's a fairly safe bet.
26 Jun 2019, 15:07 PM
#209
avatar of distrofio

Posts: 2358


Because you can engage tanks with minimal loss in AI. it's less for sure, but not really enough to warrant being at a loss if a tank turns up. It's certainly not a AT tank level of drawback (0.75 radius) so it's a fairly safe bet.

In that case is perfectly fine that sherman AT has (25% less) Radius. Want to play 'safe' and have a little of both worlds or use specialized ammo?
My point was, sherman AT is not worse (by much) than Pz4 main shots.
Is it too that shermans have higher movinh acc than Pz4?
26 Jun 2019, 15:27 PM
#210
avatar of Balanced_Gamer

Posts: 783

The price of Ostwind should stay. Centaur price should be reduced to 90 fuel.

It is ridiculous to set a price higher than a T34, USF Wolverine, UKF Achilles. All ranging from 80-90 fuel. Why on earth increase price, it is just irrational!

Making both Ostwind and Centaur a 100 fuel is a very stupid idea!

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When playing UKF, I try to consider using Centaur but I really do not any reason in using it because the Cromwell which costs 110 fuel. It only costs just 10 fuel more than a Centaur.

It has more capabilities and it is definitely better for its price.

Why the hell a 100 fuel for Ostwind and Centuar. Are you really kidding me!!!
26 Jun 2019, 15:29 PM
#211
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When playing UKF, I try to consider using Centaur but I really do not any reason in using it because the Cromwell which costs 110 fuel. It only costs just 10 fuel more than a Centaur.

It has more capabilities and it is definitely better for its price.

Why the hell a 100 fuel for Ostwind and Centuar. Are you really kidding me!!!


The Centaur is way more powerful against infantry than the Cromwell.
26 Jun 2019, 15:34 PM
#212
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 15:29 PMLago


The Centaur is way more powerful against infantry than the Cromwell.


I mean, yeah.

So, what does it matter when Cromwell is also good against infantry but to a lesser extent. Mainly it has the capability to take on Tanks which Centaur cant even do.

I would rather go for something that is overall more self-sufficient, better for its price.

Now, there is really no incentive in using Centaur because of its current price as I just stated. It would make more sense if it were 20 fuel more difference. Since it has 1 capability only which is infantry.

Makes more sense for vehicles that are specialists to be cheaper than generalists.

For just 10 fuel difference, I take Cromwell anytime.

Cromwell is very good against infantry. Very consistent. Somehow better than Comet against infantry which is odd!

26 Jun 2019, 15:38 PM
#213
avatar of distrofio

Posts: 2358

+1 to reduce 10 Fuel from centaurs as @Balanced_gamer said.
He's right you know.
26 Jun 2019, 15:38 PM
#214
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+1 to reduce 10 Fuel from centaurs as @Balanced_gamer said.
He's right you know.


Appreciated:D
26 Jun 2019, 17:00 PM
#215
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So, what does it matter when Cromwell is also good against infantry but to a lesser extent. Mainly it has the capability to take on Tanks which Centaur cant even do.

I would rather go for something that is overall more self-sufficient, better for its price.

Now, there is really no incentive in using Centaur because of its current price as I just stated. It would make more sense if it were 20 fuel more difference. Since it has 1 capability only which is infantry.

Makes more sense for vehicles that are specialists to be cheaper than generalists.

For just 10 fuel difference, I take Cromwell anytime.


I used to think the same thing.

Then I saw Jae's posts about the Centaur, so I decided to try it.

These days I'll always go Centaur if I think I can get away with it.

It's the difference between driving off infantry with a Puma and driving off infantry with a Luchs.
26 Jun 2019, 17:15 PM
#216
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 17:00 PMLago


I used to think the same thing.

Then I saw Jae's posts about the Centaur, so I decided to try it.

These days I'll always go Centaur if I think I can get away with it.

It's the difference between driving off infantry with a Puma and driving off infantry with a Luchs.


I mean if you compare Puma to Luchs Anti Infantry capability differences. It is quite clear Puma sucks in that area. It is quite a major difference.

The difference between the Cromwell and Centaur is not that huge a proportion against infantry in comparison to Puma & Luchs Anti Infantry capabilities. The difference in anti infantry capabilities, is not that distinctive with Cromwell and Centaur.

Sure Centaur does better but Cromwell does well enough that you would not even consider getting yourself a Centaur. Also due the major fact that Cromwell can engage AT combat which is a far bigger distinction to Centaurs overall capabilities!

Cromwell does well against infantry for a medium tank. If I compare other medium tanks that is pretty accurate or consistent vs infantry, I would have to say Cromwell is surprisingly one of them.

Cromwell is actually, in my opinion, deals very well against infantry. Very reliable tank and for that price, I have to admit, it is much more worth the investment than a Centaur!
26 Jun 2019, 17:23 PM
#217
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Jun 2019, 15:29 PMLago


The Centaur is way more powerful against infantry than the Cromwell.


It is also way more powerful than Ostwind. ^^ AI and AT
26 Jun 2019, 19:15 PM
#218
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It is also way more powerful than Ostwind. ^^ AI and AT


Despite Centaur being slightly better than Ostwind.

I still think both should cost 90 fuel.

It really does not make any sense to make it both any higher than that!
26 Jun 2019, 21:56 PM
#219
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It is also way more powerful than Ostwind. ^^ AI and AT


Is it? Didn't we had a vid couple of pages before showing that they are now currently dead even?
27 Jun 2019, 00:04 AM
#220
avatar of Sp33dSnake

Posts: 149

Pre patch, people virtually stopped using the Ostwind due to cost/performance ratio.

Pre, pre-patch, everyone was bitching about the Ostwind being too powerful.

It did need a buff and got one.

I agree with above stated about just making the Centuar 90.

I use the ostwind situationally, especially against soviet shock troops.
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