What if OKW had standard starting resources?

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 06:00 AMFelixTHM

AND get a free Riflemen (Officer) squad, am I right? Yeah I'd only ever play USF too.

I agree with USF AT nade actually, it's crippling that it gets locked behind vet 1 - I think having it unlocked with Officer arrival is a good idea actually.

Weapon racks as usual are just your USF-only bias. STGs are definitely excellent but you keep forgetting that weapon racks are more flexible (all squads can use it), have a MUCH higher power ceiling, and contain both AI and AT upgrades. If Volks had weapon racks for BARs and Zooks you would cry even more than you do now.

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 07:18 AMEsxile

Dunno why you're making those comparisons, I was just saying that for 15 fuel less and grenade/rack/atnade automatically unlocked I can accommodate myself with a one minute delay for my first officer.

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 10:10 AMLago

And you'd be right back at the stupid 'spam Riflemen or float manpower' design USF had before the revamp.

You know, when USF was trash?

And good luck getting light vehicles out against Ost when they can deploy 444 at the speed you get a single AAHT.

Do you seriously hate rack sidetech so much you'd throw the whole faction down the toilet to get rid of it?

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 10:56 AMEsxile

You're just deviating the conversation on your own thread on something trivial.
The point I made was -15 fuel at start for grenade/STG/pfaut is a cheap price to pay associated to the fact that different starting fuel for factions is a matter of early game balance and timing for first tech.

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 11:13 AMLago

If OKW has a weaker early game, it has less map control. That means less fuel. That means slower vehicles. You can't change one without the other.

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 11:46 AMEsxile

If OKW had a weaker early game, they just going to be roflstomped by UKF and Soviet using the same strat. I'm maybe the one playing mostly one faction between us but I'm the one seeing the big picture here.

Or your idea is to make their early game weaker but only to a non-relevant point, something that wouldn't change anything in fact.

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 06:17 AMFelixTHM

I go non-Penal builds against Ost, but I simply can't vs OKW. Without M3 cheese you simply can't punch hard enough.

It'd be interesting to see how the SOV-OKW matchup plays out if OKW early-game is weakened.

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 11:46 AMEsxile

If OKW had a weaker early game, they just going to be roflstomped by UKF and Soviet using the same strat. I'm maybe the one playing mostly one faction between us but I'm the one seeing the big picture here.

Or your idea is to make their early game weaker but only to a non-relevant point, something that wouldn't change anything in fact.

Jump back to quoted post15 May 2019, 12:26 PMthedarkarmadillo

If they are teching 15 fuel faster they wouldn't be weakened much. You would have less time to prepare for the luchs and volks are still cheaper than any figthinh unit you can field. What's more Soviet have 160mp to dump into getting a fighting unit. Getting your first maxim on the field in only 100mp less than 2 volks and your opening units (CE and cons?) will still be getting fisted by sturms unless RNG wills CE to be more than manpower bleed.

The only way to meaningfully reduce okws starting impact would be to swap the starting unit with volks. Then okw can still field a strong shock unit (could even be buffed), quick territory or pad their masses.
Their start would be second only to the brits as now, but their flexibility would remain unmatched. Powerful start would still be available, but not handed out.