Soviet strafe

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2013, 19:59 PMryusei

It's definitely very good but relic changed it completely.

Now it's actually worth the 240 munition cost in terms of killing power but at the same time it's got a few drawbacks:
1. it's slow and shit. It takes time to circle the battlefield before even going for a bombing run. That gives tons of time to retreat
2. Germans definitely have 2 options to kill it - ostwind OR armored car. The upgunned armored car is such a cheap investment to kill the plane I would always keep one around..

Jump back to quoted post14 Oct 2013, 12:44 PMNullist

Imo, generally speaking, onfield AA units should have a very strong capacity to negate aircraft. A) Because I believe units>Commanders, is a better balance principle. Since Commanders are situational, whereas native units are the games baseline. B) AA unit cost is very high imo, on both Ostwind and M5 Quad, for only AI capacity. I want to see that equity fully returned vs situational AA. B) Because it also requires positioning of the landbased AA unit in order to counter the aircraft, and I believe that should be rewarded in spades. Its easy to point and click, fire and forget an Aircraft ability, but having your AA covering that, should have a very high success rate of countering it.

Know what I mean? I would like to see AA action/commitment trump indiscriminate Aircraft use. It should be that if you havent checked their is no AA overwatching your target zone for the Aircraft, you fucking fail when your planes arrive and find an AA barrel pointed right at them. I try not to refer to IRL, but there, airstrikes are absolutely out of the question until it is ensures there is nothing in the target zone that can shoot back. No recon to ensure there is no AA? No fking way you are getting air support.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2013, 03:14 AMTurtle

Maybe more planes during a match, but not more over the game. Remember that CoH1 only 1 doctrine had planes, once you knew he took that, you could build against it, thus you had the impression of shooting down more planes.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2013, 12:26 PMc r u C e

It's 240 munitions so for the price I think it is fine,if it was cheaper it would indeed require a nerf

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2013, 15:27 PMAppleseed

compare to the 240MU german heavy strafe, the soviet heavy strafe is bit OP. at least i don't see german strafe kill T34 and it don't kill infantry

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2013, 22:34 PMc r u C e

Appleseed is right,the IL 2 Strafe Run does little damage to tanks,I had one destroy a low hp Ostwind(about 10-15% of its health)...
But still not OP if all your units are in your base(reinforcing) then the plane just flies in circles for 60 seconds...

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2013, 23:51 PMBlovski

I'm pretty sure I've had one one-shot a Panzerwerfer I hadn't even seen yet, which I think was a bit bullshit. I wish there was some way to stop the basestrafe from being so powerful, given it can't really be dodged like a normal off-map.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 01:25 AMundostrescuatro

i think a panzerwerfer is a light vehicle. it should be ok for it to die. it was just bad luck like a bunch of stuff in this game.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 01:36 AMDietBrownie

German Stuka close air support (the one that's 240 munitions) should do the same amount of damage like the Henschel HS 129 attack did in Panzer Elite Luftwaffe doctrine performed. It shouldn't target infantry instead just target vehicles only.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 02:08 AMBlovski

Even then, the 1 hit kill when I'd targeted nowhere near it seems a bit extreme (so, there was no opportunity to move it at all for my opponent). To be honest, with its level of anti-infantry power I don't think it needs to chew out light vehicles *that* quickly.

With the strafes in general, I find the undodgeability and very big target area doesn't really make for decent gameplay, and if an anti-infantry strafe is killing a rocket truck in one shot, that's kind of silly imo. Wouldn't mind if the strafe could 2-hit it or something so you give the Ostheer player time to react with light vehicles even if the smoke is sneakily placed out of LOS.