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Elephant and Tiger are useless

29 Mar 2019, 16:25 PM
#21
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The Elephant almost never gets called-in



Are you sure we are playing the same game?

Or are you talking about 1v1 only? Which wouldnt make sense either cuz a unit doesnt need to be useful in all 4 modes
29 Mar 2019, 16:30 PM
#22
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Except I am not. You cannot post a blantant lie and then call it truth unless someone disproves it.

Talking about this remind me the Russel's Teapot


Yet that's exactly what you're doing.

See post #15 in this thread. You've simultaneously claimed the Tiger I both deals more damage than the Panzer IV and that it deals less damage than the Panzer IV.

You've also not cited a single source for your claims.

I am quoting my sources: Cruzz's stats, accurate to the Spring Balance Patch this year, and the official CoH 2 changelog.

If two units had the same performance last Spring and their performance hasn't changed then their performance is still the same.
29 Mar 2019, 16:37 PM
#23
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That's not true. T85 has muchanged better aoe than piss cannon called t76. It wipes models with every shot while t76 misses most of ther time.

Comet also has better aoe than Cromwell and the while phosphorus rounds fuck with AT guns like does big dog with small.

So far I haven't been able to do the same with Cromwell.



You're comparing apples to cinnamon.

P4 is medium generalist and Tiger is heavy generalist. It is literally supposed to be P4 on steroids (except speed).

More comparable would be Sherman to Perching.

And as we all know Pershing is miles ahead of the Sherman in every way. The same cannot be said about Tiger.




Comet and Cromwell AI are almost identical, but Cromwell RoF is a LOT faster with vet.

Cromwell is just a much more reliable tank to kill inf
29 Mar 2019, 16:44 PM
#24
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The Tiger has less DPS than the P4. FULL STOP.




Yet you forgot to mention that Tiger cost is roughly same as 2 P4s so it should have comparable DPS to 2 of them combined. Yet it is barely better than 1 panzer by 30% or so.



Once against twisting facts.

Tiger is not even barely better, because against 2 P4 (the same fuel cost) it's outperformed by a great margin.






29 Mar 2019, 18:22 PM
#25
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I hope people read all the posts proving the OP wrong instead of just reading the first post. Spreading misinformation like that is bad for new players.
29 Mar 2019, 18:55 PM
#26
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What are 2 P4s doing when they engage a ISU 152 and bounce 50% of their shots? Then they do 0 damage Z-E-R-O.
You cant compare the DPS of both tanks shooting at a T70, because you will have lots of targets with decent armor that the P4 will just die to - ISU152, IS2, churchills. You will want a tiger in each engagement.
Saying the elefant is bad is just this: bad.
It has 70 range, use this to your advantage and spot for it. Dont have it in your frontline and it will excel.
29 Mar 2019, 19:09 PM
#27
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Ok give those to allies coz allies have only weak stuff and close the topic


VOTE PLZ
29 Mar 2019, 20:05 PM
#28
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What are 2 P4s doing when they engage a ISU 152 and bounce 50% of their shots? Then they do 0 damage Z-E-R-O.
You cant compare the DPS of both tanks shooting at a T70, because you will have lots of targets with decent armor that the P4 will just die to - ISU152, IS2, churchills. You will want a tiger in each engagement.
Saying the elefant is bad is just this: bad.
It has 70 range, use this to your advantage and spot for it. Dont have it in your frontline and it will excel.


+1
29 Mar 2019, 20:09 PM
#29
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I didn't read the thread, but i don't think the statements are true. Tiger is in a weak position atm, but in some situations and maps it can still be a monster.

Elefant is a teamgame tank, and most of the times decides games.
29 Mar 2019, 20:19 PM
#30
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Only real scenario i have ever chosen to take elefant in 1v1 is either a: soviet player that plays particurally passively with is 2 or kv 2, just sitting and guarding point while supporting it with at guns and other shit that would make diving it way to risky or B: brit is spamming churchills (for some weird reason)

Elefant is just very specialised, not bad
29 Mar 2019, 21:42 PM
#36
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Invised posts for being offtopic
30 Mar 2019, 04:09 AM
#37
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Can someone verify that the T3485 has the same AoE as the 76, I'm pretty sure the 85 has better aoe than the 76.
30 Mar 2019, 04:28 AM
#38
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Elephant is so bad I only see it 9 out of 10 games in 2vs2.

Tiger might be a bit weak now, but it's in no way bad, people just throw it at the enemy and hope it wins alone.
30 Mar 2019, 07:21 AM
#39
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AOE T-34/76

AOE Radius 2.5
Distance near 0.625
Distance mid 1.25
Distance far 1.875
Damage near 160
Damage mid 56
Damage far 8
80 DMG distance 1.11

AOE T-34/85
AOE Radius 2.5
Distance near 0.625
Distance mid 1.25
Distance far 1.875
Damage near 160
Damage mid 56
Damage far 8
80 DMG distance 1.11

One has to keep in mind that:
The original design of the T-34/85 was to be more like the Panther with better AT than AI and it had its MGs ninja buffed.

The AOE values are quite good even compared with OKW PzIV
AOE

AOE Radius 2.5
Distance near 0.75
Distance mid 1.25
Distance far 1.875
Damage near 160
Damage mid 56
Damage far 8
80 DMG distance 1.13
30 Mar 2019, 11:28 AM
#40
avatar of Grim

Posts: 1096



Except I am not. You cannot post a blantant lie and then call it truth unless someone disproves it


Doesn't this cancel out the majority of your threads then?
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