Steam vs Epic games

Destiny 2 moving to Steam & Bungie throws shades at Activision+Epic
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1085660/Destiny_2/
Steam launch same month as EGS Borderlands 3
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/bxjcd1/destiny_2_is_moving_to_steam_on_september_17_free/

InquisitorAles
I love how Luke trolled and said "Someone said that we need an EPIC partner" when they announced it's coming to Steam - https://www.twitch.tv/bungie/clip/DignifiedInterestingMonkeyMcaT

Destiny 2 (base game) is going free-to-play, moving to Steam:
https://www.pcgamer.com/destiny-2-is-going-free-to-play-on-steam-shadowkeep-expansion-detailed/

Activision was killing Destiny
Let this info from Bungie sink in to what is going on behind the scenes and Activision Blizzard:

Tweet from industry veteran Jason Schreier tells of Bungie staff cheering loudly at the announcement of split from Activision

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1083474033033777152
@jasonschreier
At today's meeting announcing the news, Bungie staff cheered loudly. Can't over-emphasize how happy they are not just to get away from Activision, but to have a game that they now own completely. Imagine a Destiny free from Activision's restrictive annualized schedule!

Bungie throws shades at Activision:

Supervillains? Where is Batman?

GOG/CD Projekt throws shades at EGS:


CD Projekt: Think about the gamer, they are not walking wallets

GOG/CD Projekt throws shades at EGS:

GOG store is destined to big growth in 2020. CDPR had the best E3 reveal with Keanu Reeves Cyberpunk 2077.

Phil Spencer exploiting a loophole in Epic exclusivity?:
Metro Exodus is no longer an Epic exclusive on PC
https://www.pcgamesn.com/metro-exodus/xbox-game-pass

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/bxflvl/metro_exodus_to_break_free_of_epics_handcuffs/

Actually, it's more like a loophole. Since Exodus is available on Xbox One, it's eligible for the cross-buy/cross-play "game pass" Microsoft has been working on for bridging Windows 10 and Xbox Live. It's pretty safe to assume Epic never considered that when penning the terms of the agreement.

New Epic E3 Exclusives
Includes former Sega IP, Shenmue and Valve Dota Auto Chess (mod).



Some Shenmue III Kickstarter backers want refunds because it’s an Epic Games Store exclusive:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/10/18660126/shenmue-3-epic-games-store-exclusive-backers-angry-steam-key-refund-request-e3-2019

The Dota Auto Chess modders are making a version exclusive to the Epic Games Store:
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-dota-auto-chess-modders-are-making-a-version-exclusive-to-the-epic-games-store/

Dota Auto Chess is a wildly popular Dota 2 mod that we summarised as "the joyful deck-based Dota 2 game that Artifact isn't". It's so good that Valve is making a version for Steam

EDIT: New info

Just some shower thoughts from me, I'd like to say beforehand I have a bias against Epic.

Epic is fine with microsoft having a game such as metro exodus, the main key is to chip down Steam and having a situation with multiple competing stores in which Epic can benefit more from rather than just directly trying to fuck with steam head on.

As for those whom think Epic is like some Chinese entity eating everything up, that's really foolish. Epic is majority owned by an American, and its talent pool is mainly from North America or the west in general, Tencent has like 40 something percent share and was brought on mainly for their expertise of "gaming as a service" from their experiences in Asia.

The current policies are a large result of an American, cancer such as fortnite was originally american, and the decision to accept Tencent's investment as a transition to the gaming as a service was an american decision. Just wanted to brush aside any of the "chinese infiltration, etc" stuff I see on reddit lol when these decisions are from an American company with NA decision making.

But yeah I personally don't like how Epic blatantly lied about how they're against the 30% tax Steam charges developers and then proceeds to deal with Windows store. Also I don't like how Epic bought out easy anti cheat, fucking with Steam's protonplay that I personally make use of because I don't have a windows install on my PC any more so it directly affects me.

If there are too many viable stores ya'll might actually have to resort to using something like this: https://playnite.link/ just to manage your games.

One thing that Epic does benefit a lot from is the proliferation of their game engine UE4, idk what that will lead to but just a random thing i just thought of.

As for those whom think Epic is like some Chinese entity eating everything up, that's really foolish. Epic is majority owned by an American, and its talent pool is mainly from North America or the west in general, Tencent has like 40 something percent share and was brought on mainly for their expertise of "gaming as a service" from their experiences in Asia

Thanks for the feedback broskiderpman
Only thing I have to add is this;
https://www.polygon.com/2013/3/21/4131702/tencents-epic-games-stock-acquisition

In June 2012, Tencent made a minority investment in Epic Games, purchasing approximately 48.4 percent of outstanding shares of Epic stock, equating to 40 percent of total Epic capital inclusive of both stock and employee stock options," Sweeney said in an emailed statement. "As part of the investment, two Tencent representatives joined Epic's board of directors, in addition to the three directors and two observers appointed by Epic.

Quote Epic CEO, 2019 | Tencent representatives:
https://twitter.com/timsweeneyepic/status/1095515651832201217

Shenmue_III was originally 'promised' on Steam, not just "PC":


Backers denied refunds over Shenmue III Epic Games Store exclusivity:

https://www.destructoid.com/backers-denied-refunds-over-shenmue-iii-epic-games-store-exclusivity-556998.phtml

"Thank you very much for contacting us," begins the official reply. "The launch was previously planned for distribution on Steam, however it was decided together with Deep Silver after much discussion that the Epic Games Store would be the best distribution platform option."
"Shenmue III will be distributed through the Epic Games Store and will require the Epic Games Store Client to activate. We apologize for the sudden change in platform, however, refunds will not be granted for this change. We thank you for your support and look forward to delivering the Shenmue experience fans everywhere have been waiting so long for."

Shenmue 3 is a 1-year Epic exclusive:
https://www.pcgamer.com/shenmue-3-is-a-1-year-epic-exclusive-publisher-looking-into-kickstarter-refunds/

Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/bz5k1g/shenmue_iii_is_now_epic_exclusive_and_no_refunds/

kickstarter will not intervene:

If you are in EU this is a legal violation and you can take them to court yourself, or join a class action lawsuit. There is a lot of discussion about this on Shenmue III Steam page. So I would suggest you go here if you want to contribute: https://steamcommunity.com/app/878670/discussions/0/

Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/bzgaih/backers_denied_refunds_over_shenmue_iii_epic/

DrQuint
Man, the real loser is Kickstarter themselves. This was a bunch of people who have now realized they paid early for the priviledge of paying more and with no choice of platform. I very much doubt any of them will back other projects ever again.

ours
Kickstarter campaigns are based on faith. The more campaigns screw over people the less faith people will be able to put in future campaigns.

And as if there weren't enough Kickstarter messes already these guys and a few others further make things worse with going platform exclusive after the campaign finished.

The next games will have to start making hard promises for multi-platform or at least Steam support.

Shenmue 3 fundraising finishes with nearly $7.2 million
More than 81,000 people backed the project.
https://www.pcgamer.com/shenmue-3-fundraising-finishes-with-nearly-dollar72-million/

Rebuttal to: YSnet Never Promised Steam Version To Its Backers:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/878670/discussions/0/1638662230363706111/

Shenmue is a former Sega IP and still selling Shenmue 1+2:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/758330/Shenmue_I__II/
Shenmue_III:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/878670/Shenmue_III/

EPIC CEO boast about buying more exclusive rights:
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1139708180785586179

Devil in disguise twitter profile:


EPIC vs Steam:

3:07 - Epic exclusive deals revealed (allegedly)
5:08 - Epic Games has allegedly failed to pay competitive Fortnite players prize money

Samurai Shodown devs turned down an Epic exclusivity deal (allegedly):
https://www.pcgamesn.com/samurai-shodown/exclusive

In the GameFocus article, it says (translated using Google) “Samurai Shodown wanted to sell his PC on a PC download sales platform on condition of a pre-order of hundreds of thousands of copies, but SNK Chief Commander declined Samurai [Shodown] as a title to be sold more than a million copies.”

Epic Games/Fortnite is NOT paying their competitive players. Ongoing issues that has been going on for months:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FortniteCompetitive/comments/bz34xj/epic_gamesfortnite_is_not_paying_their/

Epic Games has allegedly failed to pay competitive Fortnite players prize money:
https://dotesports.com/fortnite/news/epic-games-has-allegedly-failed-to-pay-competitive-fortnite-players-for-prize-money

Epic has a total 43,285 payments promised to players due to professional competitions that started in July 2018 with the Summer Skirmish. The company says it’s sent out 4,398, about 10 percent of the total, and is waiting for player confirmation to send another 1,687. Epic is holding back 37,200 payments (about 86 percent of what’s promised), all related to the Fortnite World Cup Qualifiers, for after it fully reviews the results to filter out cheaters and ineligible players.

The Fortnite World Cup rules say that players who earn prize money in the qualifiers have 45 days to send valid payment information to Epic Games. If they fail to do so, Epic may refuse to pay them without choosing another player to receive the prize. In this case, Epic says it’ll either add that prize money to a future event or donate it to charity.

It’s unclear at this time if players who have complained about delays have sent their payment information to Epic correctly.

yeah, imo epic games intentionally brought on tencent (and onto themselves the consequences) due to monetary factors and a change in business model with that gaming as a service thing which Tencent is pretty good at in Asia.

For an indie developer I think sometimes Epic's deal can be enticing since they offer money independent of how well the game sells (Honestly given that context, if a company feels confident that the game will sell good, Epic's deals become less enticing). I'm particularly not looking to Chivalry 2 since it just seems like a cash grab.

Edit: Also that Shenmue thing is such a shitty thing to happen, should bring them to court over that shit.

Edit: Also that Shenmue thing is such a shitty thing to happen, should bring them to court over that shit.

Shenmue 3 kickstarter controversy is potential investor fraud which undermines future crowdfunding investments.
Kickstarter backers are essentially investors that have a certain admission of risk.
Even with the best of intentions, Kickstarter projects can fail and investors get nothing.

Edit: Someone apparently did some number crunching and came to the conclusion that steam makes around 8% profit on games in total and that the 12% cut is not possible to realise considering the additional services steam offers. Epic's statement is seen as a clever PR move since they will likely have done some similar calculations and know that steam simply cannot do the 12-88 split.

Source: https://twitter.com/Mortiel/status/1120357103267278848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1120357103267278848&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.computerbase.de%2F2019-04%2Fepic-exklusivspiel-verzicht-steam%2F

Updates from this source:
Mortiel have been great debunking Epic CEO misleading half-truths which can be more manipulative than outright lies. Epic propaganda works by repetition and Valve so far have not done much to counter this.
Mortiel Countering EGS Propaganda here:

https://threadreaderapp.com/user/Mortiel

New propaganda this week:
Epic CEO insinuate third-party PC exclusives is ‘fair competition’ similar to 1st party exclusives. Encourages Valve to do the same as Epic.
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1140306161935245312

Tim Sweeney
‏@TimSweeneyEpic
Steam’s the largest PC store and already has PC exclusives such as DOTA2, Counterstrike, and Portal. Valve has every right to make deals with developers and publishers to secure more exclusives, just as Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, and Epic Games do!

MrAngryBates
‏@MrAngryBates
You mean MS, Nintendo, Valve, EA, UBI etc. do 1st party exclusives. Those games are funded and developed by them. But your "vision" for the PC market is 3rd party titles exclusively scattered around single stores. There is NO benefit for consumers with that. This just sucks.

With new Gearbox Software documents revealed we have proof of Randy Pitchford's $12 million recoupable bonus.
Whatever or not this 'bonus' is legal will be decided in the coming trial.
A jury trial is currently set for January 7, 2020.

TL;DR:

“If the royalty were just owed to Gearbox on the whole and then Randy diverted it, it would look very much like stealing,” Hoeg told GameDaily via email.
The word “recoupable” is important, because it indicates that the bonus was part of 2K’s funding of Borderlands 3’s development and, like most publisher expenses, must be paid back by way of royalties after the game ships.

In Callender’s original complaint, he alleged the misappropriation of funds. In his most recent amended petition, he and his attorneys have provided both the original contract clause and an amendment to the “Bonus for satisfaction of dedicated executive requirement” clause. The March 1, 2017 amendment authorizes 2K Games to divert Pitchford’s $12 million recoupable bonus to his personal company, Pitchford Entertainment, Media, and Magic. The document, which is redacted, does clearly bear signatures for both Gearbox and 2K representatives.

KazumaID from Reddit, breakdown of the situation:

KazumaID
Publishers loan money to game developers, when the game ships the game developer sees no money until all the money they've loaned is paid back. So under this agreement, 2k is paying Randy 12m and Stephen bahl 3m. those 15m has to be paid back by gearbox as the bonuses were "loans".

Here's the thing, those 15m that gearbox has to pay back would have gone to the employees, as gearbox has a royalty program (which they advertise as a plus to working for gearbox). Randy has mentioned it on stage iirc. Now, if BL3 cost 150m to make, gearbox has to pay out 165m to start seeing profit. Profit that would have gone to employees, 15m to be exact. So 2K isn't out 15m, they're not going to actually pay those bonuses. The employees of gearbox software are.

Former Gearbox employee provides proof Randy Pitchford diverted funds to personal company:
https://gamedaily.biz/article/965/former-gearbox-employee-provides-proof-randy-pitchford-diverted-funds-to-personal-company
Mike Futter, June 18, 2019

New documents in the suit filed by Wade Callender, former Gearbox corporate counsel, against Randy Pitchford back up a claim that Pitchford diverted studio money to a personal company.

A new filing in the ongoing legal struggle between former Gearbox corporate counsel Wade Callender and studio president Randy Pitchford provides evidence for one of the suit’s most damning accusations.

In late 2018, Pitchford sued Callender over a series of financial matters that include allegations that Callender misused company credit cards for personal expenses and destroyed evidence related to a home loan funded by the studio. Callender countersued a month later, in December 2018, presenting a salacious account of a USB drive full of pornography and sensitive corporate documents left by Pitchford at a Medieval Times restaurant.

One of many allegations included in the suit indicates that Pitchford syphoned $12 million in Borderlands bonuses intended for the studio. At the time this came to light, in January 2019, Gearbox vehemently denied the entirety of Callender’s accusations.

“The allegations made by a disgruntled former employee are absurd, with no basis in reality or law,” the studio told Kotaku. “We look forward to addressing this meritless lawsuit in court and have no further comment at this time.”

On June 12, 2019, Callender’s attorneys submitted a new 76-page filing that includes an amendment to the Borderlands 3 contract between Gearbox and 2K (originally dated November 29, 2016) that references the $12 million (plus another $3 million for remaining Gearbox co-founder and chief financial officer Stephen Bahl). This contract amendment includes a clause titled “Bonus for satisfaction of dedicated executive requirement.” This clause states that the Developer (Gearbox Software, LLC, as defined by the contract) is eligible for a “recoupable” $15 million bonus.

In other words, upon satisfaction of the terms, publisher 2K Games would pay out $15 million to Gearbox split into three payments of $5 million each. These are funds earned by Pitchford and Bahl in their roles as Gearbox employees. 2K Games very much wanted Pitchford and Bahl involved in the project, and the clause ties the $15 million to three key development milestones (including “release to master” or what is commonly called “going gold”), their “attentions toward the development and success of” Borderlands 3, and their personal engagement for 30 hours per week. The word “recoupable” is important, because it indicates that the bonus was part of 2K’s funding of Borderlands 3’s development and, like most publisher expenses, must be paid back by way of royalties after the game ships.

In Callender’s original complaint, he alleged the misappropriation of funds. In his most recent amended petition, he and his attorneys have provided both the original contract clause and an amendment to the “Bonus for satisfaction of dedicated executive requirement” clause. The March 1, 2017 amendment authorizes 2K Games to divert Pitchford’s $12 million recoupable bonus to his personal company, Pitchford Entertainment, Media, and Magic. The document, which is redacted, does clearly bear signatures for both Gearbox and 2K representatives.

In addition, the latest amendment specifically points to Gearbox’s repeated insistence that “Callender was lying so egregiously” that the studio threatened to take action against Callender by filing a grievance against him with the State Bar of Texas. Gearbox has not followed through on this threat.

While we now have proof that funds were originally intended to be paid to Gearbox have since been diverted to Pitchford’s company, there are factors that we still don’t fully understand. Pitchford is a 50% owner of Gearbox Software LLC and has 51% operational control (with Bahl controlling the rest). According to attorney Richard Hoeg of The Hoeg Law Firm, the ownership situation could confound the matter.

“If the royalty were just owed to Gearbox on the whole and then Randy diverted it, it would look very much like stealing,” Hoeg told GameDaily via email. “As an officer or director you owe a duty to protect the assets of the company. That’s usually divided into a duty of loyalty and a duty of care. Here the duty of loyalty is very much implicated, as one could argue—as they are in fact arguing—that Randy took a business opportunity directly out of the hands of the company he owes this duty towards."

However, because the clause is written to specifically name Pitchford and Bahl, a case could be made that he earned those funds directly.

“It was likely Randy negotiating the agreement directly, so that brings up its own concerns, especially if the plan was always for Randy to receive this $12 million,” Hoeg continued. “In fact, if he weren’t in functional control of the company, I wouldn’t doubt that if such a provision were in an agreement of this type, that he could go to his board and CEO and say, I deserve a portion—or perhaps even all—of such bonus amount. The issue is that he is in control of the company, and I’m not sure they went through the proper corporate processes to ‘cleanse’ any such decision to divert the funds to his magic company. Such a cleansing action would ordinarily take place through the approval of “disinterested” directors and/or stockholders. In other words, if the folks that are not directly benefiting from the contract or payment approve of it, generally, the law is going to be okay with it. It’s the kind of thing a general counsel would recommend.”

With the new documents coming to light, Pitchford’s attorneys filed a motion to enforce a protective order the parties previously agreed upon to protect confidential documents between Gearbox and 2K Games. That motion was denied, as Callender’s counsel pointed out that these documents were not part of discovery and, therefore, could not be included in the protective order.

We reached out to Gearbox to offer the studio a chance to update its categorical denial of Callender’s allegations. The studio declined.

However, publisher 2K did share a statement on the matter.

“We don’t publicly discuss the details of confidential business terms between 2K and our partners,” a company representative told GameDaily via email. “In addition, it is our practice not to comment on our business partners’ legal matters.”

A jury trial is currently set for January 7, 2020. However, a settlement may preclude the need for a public brawl. This is an emotionally charged feud between two childhood friends and former business partners amid an enormous marketing rollout for one of this fall’s most anticipated games.

No matter who wins in front of a judge, Gearbox is losing in the court of public opinion. Each new element of this story that comes to light overshadows the work of the studio’s developers and the long-awaited Borderlands 3.

Reddit:

Hands0ffmybr3ad
Can tell you as someone who worked under him, he is a collossal piece of shit. The corporate side of Gearbox and 2k hired PR teams to follow him around to make sure he didn't say or do anything stupid, and even with that, he managed to get through.

He takes credit for other peoples work, apparantley embezzles company money, and is just a complete and total piece of shit. Glad to see it's finally coming to light.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/c2avby/former_gearbox_employee_provides_proof_randy/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/c2au0y/former_gearbox_employee_provides_proof_randy/*

Shenmue 3 To Offer Refunds After Disgruntled Backers Protest Epic Exclusivity:

sources:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ysnet/shenmue-3/posts/2553891
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1142815181413781510
https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1146103878540308481
Epic's Tim Sweeney also made it clear that this is their new policy moving forward, meaning that Kickstarted games are by no means off limits:


Shenmue 3 backers won't get Steam keys at launch, but refunds will be available:
The Epic Games Store exclusivity means no Steam keys for a year.
https://www.pcgamer.com/shenmue-3-backers-wont-get-steam-keys-at-launch-but-refunds-will-be-available/?utm_content=buffer53246&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer-pcgamertw

Epic funding Kickstarter refunds resulting from Shenmue 3’s move to the Epic Games store, says it'll do likewise when future crowdfunded games switch to Epic Games store exclusives:
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/epic-games-funding-shenmue-3-pc-kickstarter-refunds/
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/c8cora/epic_funding_kickstarter_refunds_resulting_from/

Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/c88dvi/shenmue_3_offers_refunds_and_delayed_steam_keys/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/c8814r/shenmue_3_update_on_pc_version_rewards/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Shenmue/comments/c880oc/shenmue_3_by_ys_net_update_on_pc_version_rewards/
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/c8825x/shenmue_3_will_be_offering_refunds/



EDIT: Updated info

Epic CEO Defends ‘Ends Justify The Means’ Exclusive Stance, Leaves Out KEY Information:

More of the industry weighs in on revenue splits:


More half-truths from Epic CEO.

Epic Blocks Steam Users From Free/Discounted Remasters With Exclusivity Deals:

SOURCE: https://twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/1146720429584855041
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/ca2jx7/epic_blocks_steam_users_from_freediscounted/

One third of Cyberpunk 2077's PC digital pre-orders have been on GOG:
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/software/one_third_of_cyberpunk_2077_s_pc_digital_pre-orders_have_been_on_gog/1

Cyberpunk 20177 is easily one of 2020's most highly anticipated games, releasing on PC, Xbox One and PlayStation 4 as the next major RPG release from CD Projekt Red, the creators of The Witcher 3: The Wild Hunt.

CD Projekt Red has confirmed that GOG, a lesser known PC games retailer that specialises in DRM-free gaming, has succeeded in receiving approximately one-third of digital PC pre-orders for Cyberpunk 2077, acting as a huge win for the storefront. The game's remaining digital pre-orders come from Steam and the Epic Games Store, with the bulk of the Cyberpunk 2077s pre-orders likely coming from Valve's Steam platform.

GOG is owned by the CD Projekt Group, and as such acts as CD Projekt Red's PC retailer of choice, as all proceeds from Cyberpunk 2077 will go to the company behind the title. To further incentivise these purchases, CD Projekt Red is also giving GOG purchasers exclusive access to print-quality Cyberpunk 2077 posters, an exclusive digital booklet about the game and an additional set of wallpapers and avatars.

Despite Steam's dominant position within the PC gaming market, it seems that a large number of PC gamers are willing to side with GOG when purchasing Cyberpunk, with the promise of better developer funding and DRM-free gaming being major draws for the platform.

Epic Games Denies Hurting Cyberpunk 2077 or CD Projekt PC Store, SLAMS Valve's Steam Sale:

Valve says sorry for Summer Sale Grand Prix confusion, gives away 5000 more games:
https://www.pcgamer.com/valve-says-sorry-for-summer-sale-grand-prix-confusion-gives-away-5000-more-games/
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/caty31/valve_says_sorry_for_summer_sale_grand_prix/

Epic CEO Tim Sweeney says exclusives “ultimately benefit gamers”
https://www.pcgamesn.com/epic-store-tim-sweeney
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/c5o9ut/epic_ceo_tim_sweeney_says_exclusives_ultimately/

EPIC CEO:

Epic doesn't care about gamers. They only want to be the king themselves.
Death to the king! Long live the king!

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2014-01-23

Games journalism is on life support and PC gamer + Gamesindustry.biz shilling for EGS?

Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/cf3in0/pc_gamer_adticles_selling_fortnite_crap_now/
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/ceorix/there_are_over_100_games_on_epic_and_still_theres/

Gamesindustry.biz at it again with Epic shilling:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/cf9osv/gamesindustrybiz_at_it_again_with_epic_shilling/

Epic Games Store FAILS AGAIN Removes games from customer accounts:

Why did EPIC remove games from customer accounts?

Why did EPIC remove games from customer accounts?

TL;DR
EGS has bad security checks/multiple logins (per Swindle's words) and lacking in pro-consumer features + customer support.
EGS removing games was likely caused by multiply accounts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/cdrroj/epic_games_store_fails_again_removes_games_from/

We1tfunk
Re: the whole thing about multiple logins (per Swindle's words) and such causing the games removal issue...

It still shocks me that the EGS doesn't have some form of basic email verification before you can start purchasing/downloading games or doing anything like that. Because that way you can confirm that YES, that is your email and YES, you own that email. Right now I can make an account with the email TimSwindle@EpicGamesSucks.com and buy games with it without having to verify that I, in fact, own the email.

People make typos, and sometimes they just won't catch it until something like this happens. This is why we figured this out a long time ago with email verification which is literally a goddamned thing on every service you use.

Remember if it's "free" you are the product!. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Epic Games Store FAILS AGAIN Removes games from customer accounts:


Update:

SidAlpha
Tim Sweeney has responded on Twitter. Here is the link to that response: https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1150990046717255682?s=20
While his 2nd post does not make as much sense, I have sent him a DM directly in an attempt to see some of these issues resolved if possible. While I don't exactly have high hopes for a response, I'll make every attempt to help those who have lost games and/or accounts.

SidAlpha use https://www.trustpilot.com/ as primary source for this vid. In my country, it's the nr.1 customer review site (https://dk.trustpilot.com/) but less popular international.

Epic Boss Has A Surprising Response To Inflamatory Ooblets Dev Blog:





The developers behind Ooblets are a textbook example of how not to treat your customers:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/cl3yoc/the_developers_behind_ooblets_are_a_textbook/
*SNIP*
Now, onto the shit show. The devs decided to announce the exclusivity in a blog post. From the get-go they begin addressing their audience with a condescending tone and branding people who would potentially disagree with their decision as ''Gamers™'', ''Toxic'' and all the other negative buzzwords you might think of. Afterwards they decided to further ridicule anyone critical of their decision as not having their priorities in life set straight and suggested directing their energy towards solving climate change or human rights abuses. I really can't do the level of arrogance any justice in my summary so I suggest you read the whole blog post yourself.