Soviet - Airbourne feedback

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 15:22 PMVipper

In addition when I tested the weapons I was able to give 6 SVT to conscripts.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 15:29 PMKatitof

Oh, an extremely biased attempt at using % values that say absolutely nothing then to give actual numbers!

Lets try that without accurate, but misleading %, shall we?

What's stronger?

151% of 2 or 170% of 1?

Larger increase to very low value is still much lower then smaller increase to much higher value.

Lets not pretend the "upgrade" adds meaningful values, ok Vipper?

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 15:43 PMKatitof

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Cons have 1 weapon slot, SVTs are supposed to take 1 weapon slot.
I was not able to give them more then 1 box yesterday evening, there was no update since.

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Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 15:43 PMKatitof

Also, it took some time but I have found the ULTIMATE way to use SVT upgrade!
Rain it all over the place vs ost opponent! If grens will pick it, it will SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THEIR DPS AT ALL RANGES AND block them from using LMG42!

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 15:43 PMKatitof

Ok then, lets try again:

What's stronger?

151% of 2 or 170% of 1?

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 17:16 PMjagd wölfe

You do know that X% increase of cons dps is actually much more than X% increase of grens dps, right ?

That's how percentages work...

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 17:18 PMKatitof

You do know that for 95% of infantry units in game that "weapon upgrade" actually LOWERS stock rifle DPS?

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 17:33 PMdistrofio

This is going way too technical.
Can someone just explainn with a dmg curve of the paradropped svt, post a cons.grens.ce.rifles same curve and let data speak for itself?

Its not that hard to understand that a weapon upgrade can be in the end a weapon downgrade, at best a dps curve change.

Maybe the point is showing how drastycal the change is, in wich direction and if it is contained or not exploitable in ridiculous ways.

Edit: @vipper i counted 5 svts and 1 mosin. The mosin is harder to see but you can idetify it by the nozzle and the cleaning stick

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 17:33 PMdistrofio

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Edit: @vipper i counted 5 svts and 1 mosin. The mosin is harder to see but you can idetify it by the nozzle and the cleaning stick

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 17:46 PMjagd wölfe

I don't know if it has been posted yet, but as asked by distrofio
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Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 18:02 PMVipper

Imo the ability is bound to create problems with engineer type units spam.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 18:37 PMKatitof

How?

Engineer units do not have combat scaling,

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 19:03 PMjagd wölfe

CE have a 20% and 15% accuracy bonus

An SVT fired from vet 3 combat engineers has a mid range accuracy that is only 0.2 less than VET 3 penals, and that's for the cheapest unit in game that happens to carry 2 rifles of those and a flamethrower on top of that.

It will be absolutely broken.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 19:08 PMVipper

SVT give 3 SVT riflers so you can have:
RE x3SVT +1 flamer +1 M1 carbine at vet 3
or
RE x3SVT +rifle grenade+1 M1 carbine at vet 3
or
Sapper 2 vickers K+3 SVT
Or
Sapper 1 Flamer +3 SVT+ Bren
or
C.E. Flamer +3 SVT
or
Commando 1 bren+3SVT+1 sten

and so on...

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 19:10 PMjagd wölfe

Even more broken is that's the case.

Why are they scared of just saying they want to give cons stv and cut this Bull*# lmao

Add a direct upgrade and be done with it.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2019, 19:15 PMdistrofio

guys take a moment i fixed both images and numbers, check Royal engies DPS with SVTs...