USF got too many buffs

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 02:54 AMkingdun3284

You are clever to avoid something bad , but make no sense to draw the conclusion of USF is balanced. You can have all the tools you need as OKW without picking a commander but USF is simply a crippled faction if you don't pick a decent commander having other kind of infantries ,mobile rocket artillery or heavies.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 09:39 AMAarotron

volks get non tech grenade that denies cover, snare that is not locked behind vet, cheaper weapon upgrade that does not need visit in base and gives substansial dps increase without needing proper positioning (lmg rewuire being still and bars are best when getting close up to the enemy) and much cheaper mp and reinforce cost, which reduces severity of taking losses. I am not saying that volks are op, but flamenades and cheap cost do already put rifles on backfoot.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 09:57 AMSander93

OKW lacks proper anti-tank infantry. The single schreck on the expensive Sturmpioneers is pretty garbage, and you need those units available for repairs anyway.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 10:00 AMblvckdream

Which is why OKW should have gotten an AT-themed doctrine instead of "Grand Offensive". But whatever, a shiny Tiger Tank is probably just more attractive for the average COH2 player.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 09:57 AMSander93

You are being laughably biased. You are just cherry picking units to give a wrong impression. I'm not denying the USF lacks certain tools, they do. But OKW does lack some tools as well.


For example:

OKW lacks a proper 60 range reliable ATG. Rakettens are shite to use and the stealth creep cheese is their only saving grace (but they still suck for the job you really get them for).

OKW lacks a proper late game AI vehicle. The P4 is not reliable enough.

OKW lacks proper anti-tank infantry. The single schreck on the expensive Sturmpioneers is pretty garbage, and you need those units available for repairs anyway.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 10:39 AMkingdun3284

You simply have no idea what is actually "lacking" a tool. All the example you have just pointed out are performance issue only. But USF simply has no heavies that serve as a spearhead purpose or Mobile Rocket artillery that serve as a punishment tool for heavy static play in stock.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 10:00 AMblvckdream

Which is why OKW should have gotten an AT-themed doctrine instead of "Grand Offensive". But whatever, a shiny Tiger Tank is probably just more attractive for the average COH2 player.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 21:02 PMdistrofio

Finally 1v1 is what matters, 3s and 4s take but a secondary priority if not a forgotten todo list

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 21:08 PMSander93

I think the playerbase of 3v3 and 4v4 combined is roughly 14 times as large as the 1v1 playerbase. I don't think their game experience should be neglected.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 21:08 PMSander93

I think the playerbase of 3v3 and 4v4 combined is roughly 7 times as large as the 1v1 playerbase. I don't think their game experience should be neglected.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 02:54 AMkingdun3284

You are clever to avoid something bad , but make no sense to draw the conclusion of USF is balanced. You can have all the tools you need as OKW without picking a commander but USF is simply a crippled faction if you don't pick a decent commander having other kind of infantries ,mobile rocket artillery or heavies. Yet, USF is still a bit crippled, because there has no commander have access to all these options which OKW comes with stock.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 10:39 AMkingdun3284

You simply have no idea what is actually "lacking" a tool. All the example you have just pointed out are performance issue only. But USF simply has no heavies that serve as a spearhead purpose or Mobile Rocket artillery that serve as a punishment tool for heavy static play in stock.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 21:42 PMinsaneHoshi

How does OKW get Snipers and fuel cashes?

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 21:55 PMthedarkarmadillo

Snipers and fuel caches arnt something you NEED. also with hyper cost effecient volks there leaves alot of mp free for snipers and caches. Wouldn't be good.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 09:58 AMblvckdream

Double Bar Riflemen eat STG Volks for breakfast, there is just no way to deny it. And it´s good like that because Riflemen are overall more expensive.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 21:57 PMinsaneHoshi

Neither does USF NEED a stock heavy or stock rocket arty.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 22:51 PMSkysTheLimit

For what you pay for rifleman they really should eat them even more. Look at how badly volks smack around cons over 10mp and 60 Muni. Hell if you include cons side tech volks are essentially cheaper and yet they own cons.

Meanwhile I invest 120 Muni on each, 300 mp and 30 fuel at the HQ, all for a squad that already costs more to buy and reinforce.

Maybe this is more a statement against conscripts than Rifleman. But all I know for certain is volks are too cost effective.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 10:00 AMblvckdream

Which is why OKW should have gotten an AT-themed doctrine instead of "Grand Offensive". But whatever, a shiny Tiger Tank is probably just more attractive for the average COH2 player.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2019, 23:33 PMFarlon

Riflemen win against volks without upgrades too, they just obliterate them with upgrades and vet, and BARs cost 15 fuel 150mp to unlock.

Jump back to quoted post16 Mar 2019, 03:12 AMSkysTheLimit

Grenades+bars cost 300mp and 30 fuel added together. Unless you play OKW without using flame nades...