USF got too many buffs

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 07:45 AMEsxile

Do you have the old values and new one, my understanding is that the M20 actually comes later.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2019, 18:04 PMLago

USF's Mechanized commander could maybe stand to be toned down a little. Beyond that, I'm not sure what else needs adjusting. USF's internal balance is so good right now that any tweaks to nondoctrinal units risk killing the tweaked unit.

• WC51 no longer can be decrewed.
  
• Mark Target and 155mm Artillery removed from WC51.
  Standard Sherman dozer blade upgrade removed.

The WC51's proved itself as an excellent unit. The rationale behind giving incongruous command abilities in the first place was to make it worth building: it's easily worth building without them.

Removing the vehicle crew would force USF to repair it with their REs when it gets damaged, lowering its early game shock value.

As for the Dozer Blades, they're visually confusing (they make Shermans look like the 105mm Sherman Bulldozer) and are a buff the 75mm doesn't really need. The excellent new 76mm Sherman is enough in my opinion.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 10:37 AMLago

What are the old veterancy accuracy bonuses?

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 10:37 AMLago

The accuracy changes on paoper gave it some long range firepower but reduced its short range lethality: it'd be interesting to see if the accuracy changes are just buffs or if they were altered to compensate.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 10:50 AMVipper

They are straight buffs and the change to close accuracy is hardly a nerf because it applies mostly to ranges close to 0-10 and the m20 hardly chooses to go point blank.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:08 PMLago

It used to fight that close. It'd utterly butcher any snareless unit left exposed, but was disappointingly ineffective vs snares.

Then OKW got snares and the M20 gave way to the Stuart. Then the Stuart got nerfed and the Stuart gave way to a AAHT.

Flattening out its damage was a good call imo. It turns it into a solid damage dealer all round rather than plinking away at snare troops and mercilessly slaughtering engineers, MGs and PGrens.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:11 PMVipper

Flatting out the damage output was a good changes buffing the far DPS by 180% and lowering XP values was not.

The units was great before the tech changes and yet it received major buffs like price reduction, XP value, DPS buff while calling it become less punishing since Bazooka access and ATG access become easier/cheaper.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:29 PMLago

It really, really wasn't. It cost 340 MP for a start.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:29 PMLago

It could stand to lose the crew bazooka now it can get LT Bazooka and Stuart support, but the M20 was pretty much unseen before the revamp.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 12:50 PMVipper

You are entitled to your opinion but 6 buff including cheaper AND more DPS is usually a bad approach. Add the new tech tree and it makes even worse.

In the end of the day it was unnecessary since the tech change alone was enough to provide new reason to built it and one could simply see how that goes and adjust.


The m20 was used 1vs1 allot for many years and after the patch it used even more in the tournament with devastating result. It would probably see even more action if the WC51 was not so OP.

Now we have established that M20 has been buffed, so we can simply move on.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 13:10 PMEsxile

Nobody said the M20 hasn't been buffed,...

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 10:37 AMLago

What are the old veterancy accuracy bonuses? The accuracy changes on paoper gave it some long range firepower but reduced its short range lethality: it'd be interesting to see if the accuracy changes are just buffs or if they were altered to compensate.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 14:10 PMSupremeStefan

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Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 16:05 PMdistrofio

Offtopic?
Oh you mean showing each unbalanced aspect of UFS? Its on topic then.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 21:04 PMSupremeStefan

Then show me more.What u think? Maybe sherman is op too ? Because sometimes penetrate your poor tiger.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 09:06 AMddd

Ok so you remove free officer, but you will compensate with free nades or free weapon upgrades or free emplacements, right? Just like the axis factions?

Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2019, 01:09 AMkingdun3284

Best idea I have ever seen, Officer are trashs and redundant for USF. Unlock grenade, smoke, delete weapon rack and give every infantry unit of USF on field upgrade and AT nades with tech up will bring Rifleman back to the front line. Then reduce the cost of unlocking another (captain/LT) tier after you unlock the first one.

Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2019, 01:59 AMdistrofio

He is basically trolling and you support him... or trolling aside him