Time on target should be better for its price

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2019, 01:02 AMJae For Jett

...but it's not meant to be used for area denial - at least not in it's current state. It has a current role (one thats fairly unique within usf), and it performs really well within that role. Fair enough if you think its role should be changed, but you haven't made that argument and haven't given reasons why this would be a good idea.

And sure, other USF offmap artillery options perform the role adequately (though I'd personally argue a little less than adequately). Time on target, though, performs this role really well.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2019, 16:51 PMDonnieChan

replay pls

Used in fog of war hm?

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2019, 02:13 AMkingdun3284

Not as easy to use as Stuka diving bomb, not as unique as SDB, not does its job like SDV while having similar price as SDB.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2019, 15:01 PMJae For Jett

A "buff" to those would also go against the ability's use case though. Its strength is against static targets - Flak HQs, ambient structures, bunkers. The small area of effect is an important part of that, the barrage duration is kind of a non factor (maybe you're asking for more shells?), and the time until the barrage starts is a balancing factor to make sure it can do high amounts of damage to a small area without being overpowered.

I get why spending 180 munitions for this kind of thing can feel like a bad trade, but it makes destroying forward flak HQs pretty easy - making it able to do so at an even lower cost could result in a balance issue. Overall, I think time on target is a much cooler concept than basically every other arty ability which all come down to "deny an area," and a lot of these qualities are important to its current use case.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2019, 21:33 PMSerrith

A longer barrage duration like the british concentrated fire operation, base howitzer barrage or major artillery that has shell drops spread over a long duration aiding its area denial.


I also agree that the primary use for the ability is destroying forward headquarters, but USF has tons of off map artillery options and they all perform this role adequately but are more flexible in their other usage.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 03:14 AMIncendiaryRounds

Railway arty is just as garbage. Only first shell counts and has a very long delay with smoke and a loud warning sound. U can't miss it. If your units get hit by the 2nd or 3rd shell, delete the game immediately, your lack of skill is beyond saving.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 04:23 AMthedarkarmadillo

2nd and 3rd shell are completely random so it's better than time on target as you need to vacate the area, trying to operate in the vicinity may well cost you... TOT doesn't have that threat.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 06:39 AMIncendiaryRounds

Ost players don't pay 200 munis for an overpriced, long delay, red smoke stuka bomb + area denial. It would be nice if railway worked like the cheaper pathfinder arty.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 06:54 AMthedarkarmadillo

No, they pay it for fucking hard points or smashing Artillery. Or emplacements.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 17:31 PMmurky depths

Every half dozen or so times I've used it, it might end up not taking out a LefH or Pak43, but otherwise it does that job just fine.

In team games I often end up spending nearly all my muni on it + major arty simply to counter LefH/PAK43s cuz it's quite effective at it.

Dunno, I think it's fine.

Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2019, 02:00 AMdistrofio

180 can mean a lot on a muni thirsty strategy or quite nothing on a overfloating muni faction

Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2019, 00:05 AMkingdun3284

180 munition for not reliably counter a lefh means it is totally suck.

Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2019, 17:28 PMmurky depths

Priest can't reliably insta-gib a static defense in the heat of the moment the way time-on-target can, and if an enemy gets their LEFH vetted (which is quite easy to do), the counter-barrage can really mess up your priest.

I dunno, I think it's a good ability and it's very useful in tactical situations -- especially if your opponent shoves a pak43 behind a building where long range bombardment means you often hit the building in question.

Jump back to quoted post14 Mar 2019, 18:16 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

It can 2-3 shot them with it's Vet1 quite easily, which is 50 munitions, ToT is really expensive for what it does.