Given the balance forum's doing a pass on the weaker tanks (hello Comet), figured I might as well throw the poor Ostwind on the pile.
so have this nice poll
Ostwind
29 Jan 2019, 11:17 AM
#1
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29 Jan 2019, 11:26 AM
#2
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Buff its anti-air, nerf AA of pintle MGs and 222.
29 Jan 2019, 11:34 AM
#3
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Buff both AA and RoF so they can shoot some loiter plane down.
29 Jan 2019, 11:45 AM
#4
Posts: 47
Buff RoF and make the 222 not be able to shoot at planes.
29 Jan 2019, 11:49 AM
#5
Posts: 493
Once a savior vs tank hunter cons ptrs spam, today is completely forgotten. Who prefers it to brummbar? Who needs its AA in team with okw went flakht? It's too pricy for being just tanky AA (ask yourself can it fright a penal blob), so maybe if not a buff then lower price?
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29 Jan 2019, 12:03 PM
#6
Posts: 173
+1 to RoF and reload buff.
Also, little bit of mobility buff would be nice, too.
Or, another way - add AP belt-ability, like MG42 tracer-belt or E8 HVAP shells with higher penetration but with little to none AoE.
Also, little bit of mobility buff would be nice, too.
Or, another way - add AP belt-ability, like MG42 tracer-belt or E8 HVAP shells with higher penetration but with little to none AoE.
29 Jan 2019, 12:04 PM
#7
Posts: 186
Beside raw combat buffs like higher ROF shorter Reload or better Accuracy maybe a slight Supression bonus could work, which only starts after the Ostwind has been stationary for 1,5 to 3 seconds. This would allow it to have some utility vs blobs and would improve the Ostwind in defensive but not so much in offensive positions.
29 Jan 2019, 12:17 PM
#8
Posts: 61
"Too weak" and "Other buff".
I don't think it should be better than Pz 4 against infantry. Don't forget that it costs less than Pz 4.
About actual buffs - I was thinking about slight buff to AA performance (only slight - german tanks all have pintle MG, which also works as AA), buff to hull MG accuracy (better AI, but your Ostwind should "look" at the enemy) and even possibly +10 frontal armor (because their paper armor is pain in the a...).
I don't think it should be better than Pz 4 against infantry. Don't forget that it costs less than Pz 4.
About actual buffs - I was thinking about slight buff to AA performance (only slight - german tanks all have pintle MG, which also works as AA), buff to hull MG accuracy (better AI, but your Ostwind should "look" at the enemy) and even possibly +10 frontal armor (because their paper armor is pain in the a...).
29 Jan 2019, 12:42 PM
#9
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From my OKW Overhaul thread:
(On the third point: due to low accuracy values it wouldn't instagib all lights but it would be certainly strong enough to kill them when out of position or to keep them at bay.)
- Improve AA capabilities so that it matches the OKW 251 Flak Halftrack.
- Increase rate of fire on main gun. Vet 3 cooldown and reload reduction should be moved to vet 0.
- Increase penetration so it can effectively fight Allied light armor. Penetration increased to ~80/60/50 from 55/40/35.
(On the third point: due to low accuracy values it wouldn't instagib all lights but it would be certainly strong enough to kill them when out of position or to keep them at bay.)
29 Jan 2019, 12:53 PM
#10
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Just right, no need for more powercreep. Ostwind works the same way 251HTAA but without a setup time to force you to stop to be effective.
Actually that's the Pz4 that's too good vs infantry and overshadow the Ostwind.
Actually that's the Pz4 that's too good vs infantry and overshadow the Ostwind.
29 Jan 2019, 13:12 PM
#11
Posts: 606
[code][/code]How about making it more or less like the direct opposite of the stug, with even lower penetration (so it can only hurt the lightest of vehicles) and more damage vs infantry?
29 Jan 2019, 13:32 PM
#12
Posts: 1096
Buff its anti-air, nerf AA of pintle MGs and 222.
This is a pretty good idea. Not to mention shooting down planes reliably would help it vet up.
29 Jan 2019, 14:35 PM
#13
Posts: 13
I don‘t like the idea about more dmg vs light vehicles. The Ostwind is supposed to be strong Anti Infantry Tank (better than P4) and not an AT Unit (StuG does the job for the T3).
-More dmg to infantry (Not sure if the Ost should do single target dmg or splash dmg)
-a Bit of supression on the mg aswell, like 2-3 sec setup time
-More dmg to infantry (Not sure if the Ost should do single target dmg or splash dmg)
-a Bit of supression on the mg aswell, like 2-3 sec setup time
29 Jan 2019, 15:38 PM
#14
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Permanently BannedI wouldn't be opposed to a small comet buff if a small ostwind buff was in the works too.
For the Ostwind, its simply needs a bit more accuracy at long range. The shells no longer collide with terrain but they are so inaccurate they are outright missing the target that many times not even one man is getting shot at.
For the Ostwind, its simply needs a bit more accuracy at long range. The shells no longer collide with terrain but they are so inaccurate they are outright missing the target that many times not even one man is getting shot at.
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29 Jan 2019, 16:53 PM
#15
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Just right, no need for more powercreep. Ostwind works the same way 251HTAA but without a setup time to force you to stop to be effective.
Actually that's the Pz4 that's too good vs infantry and overshadow the Ostwind.
Apart from the fact that I doubt it has the same effective dps as the AA Ht, the aa half track does have this thing called surpession you know?
In fact looking into it it seems like the AAHT has a comparable or even superior main gun profile, having equal AOE, better scatter and better ROF, and has two mgs (18/1.5) vs the one that the ostwind has (13/3). Also the 50 Val's have 45 range vs mg34s 35
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29 Jan 2019, 19:34 PM
#16
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Apart from the fact that I doubt it has the same effective dps as the AA Ht, the aa half track does have this thing called surpession you know?
In fact looking into it it seems like the AAHT has a comparable or even superior main gun profile, having equal AOE, better scatter and better ROF, and has two mgs (18/1.5) vs the one that the ostwind has (13/3). Also the 50 Val's have 45 range vs mg34s 35
Doesn't die in two hits, isn't scared of LVs. You have to remember that at the begining kubel and AAHT were the standard suppression platform for OKW but yeh OKW power creep isn't a secret for everyone and it doesn't mean other factions should follow the same pattern.
29 Jan 2019, 19:38 PM
#17
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Just right, no need for more powercreep. Ostwind works the same way 251HTAA but without a setup time to force you to stop to be effective.
Actually that's the Pz4 that's too good vs infantry and overshadow the Ostwind.
lol
29 Jan 2019, 20:03 PM
#18
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Permanently BannedJust right, no need for more powercreep. Ostwind works the same way 251HTAA but without a setup time to force you to stop to be effective.
Actually that's the Pz4 that's too good vs infantry and overshadow the Ostwind.
Ost P4 is only slightly better than the cromwell in killing inf and thats because it has a pintle upgrade. OKW p4 is better at killing inf due to a somewhat recent buff to AoE that wasn't given to the Ost p4. Hence the ost p4 is not "too good" and the ostwind should be better than the ost p4 in killing inf.
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29 Jan 2019, 20:07 PM
#19
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Doesn't die in two hits, isn't scared of LVs. You have to remember that at the begining kubel and AAHT were the standard suppression platform for OKW but yeh OKW power creep isn't a secret for everyone and it doesn't mean other factions should follow the same pattern.
Oh when you said they both worked the same I assumed you meant that they both worked the same ( which isn't the case). What exactly did you mean?
Also kubel and flakHT arnt the best examples of powercreep since kubel suppression was awesome and now is no longer so and the FlakHT was the pinicle of uselessness.
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29 Jan 2019, 20:10 PM
#20
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OKW p4 is better at killing inf due to a somewhat recent buff to AoE that wasn't given to the Ost p4.
I think you're mistaken, they have identical weapons except the OKW has less scatter and better vet.
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