Tric_TV can fix stalingrad map for free, if you guys want it

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 00:42 AMShadowLinkX37

No imo, I would rather we attempted to change or removed the maps that are already in the map pool before we decide to add more maps, especially ones that were removed because they were so unbalanced.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 00:45 AMLago

But the whole point of the thread is Tric said he can balance it. It's not like they'd just add Stalingrad back as is.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 00:56 AMShadowLinkX37

Yes I know, and I think Tric is a good guy and does his job well, but I HIGHLY doubt he's going to be able to take a very scary can of worms and make it a map worthy of competitive play in 1 go. More likely it just gets better, to about the point of lost glider or arnhem checkpoint, where they're in the map pool, but usually warrant a veto. MAYBE he does a phenominal job, and it ends up as good as faymonville approach, where it's used largely used in competitive but still has major glaring issues.

Then there's the issue of relic actually uploading things very heavy distance wise in terms of time. If theirs a major balance issue on the map that slips by after the map goes into rotation, odds are relic won't implement a patch for at least 6 months if not more.

I'd rather we just stick to ironing out the glaring issues on maps like faymonville and kholodney ferma than trying to throw in more dice.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 01:02 AMTric

And who is going to do this?

I kinda agree with bizrock on this, and also you. I don't have time, and it is a shame that a map that is about the eastern front has nothing for stalingrad. This map is actually pretty easy to fix, 10-15 hours, and some testing. But it will take a lot of testing and with SMC it will be hard to do so.


Now if people wanted to take the time to help test it and balance it like bizrock, then thats up to you guys. But I won't go out of my way to get it tested, however I am not just going to give a hard no to someone that wants it done, if other people do as well.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 01:16 AMShadowLinkX37

I have no idea who is going to do it, but if we're going to do anything, it shouldn't be taking awful maps and rebalancing the whole thing.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 01:16 AMShadowLinkX37

I have no idea who is going to do it, but if we're going to do anything, it shouldn't be taking awful maps and rebalancing the whole thing.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 01:36 AMBizrock

https://imgflip.com/i/2s6xfs

Tric told me some ways to fix it. The issues on Stalingrad are pretty simple to solve, but just take some time like everything.
He will make a Video about it. Soon.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 02:02 AMIncendiaryRounds

Who's Tric? Can we trust him to make a balanced map or is he gonna shove the changes down our throats without a chance for feedback.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 02:07 AMBeastHunter

You could probably visit his stream while he is working on the map, showcasing the map, maybe cast games on the map. Or you could playtest the map if it comes available in the steam workshop. During that time it is most likely possible to give some constructive criticism.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 02:07 AMBeastHunter

You could probably visit his stream while he is working on the map, showcasing the map, maybe cast games on the map. Or you could playtest the map if it comes available in the steam workshop. During that time it is most likely possible to give some constructive criticism.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 02:34 AMTric

Vid is going to be like 140p till youtube renders it a bit more, but its up.

I also forgot to mention in this that it would need 2 more territory points (which could clear up the cutoff issue) as the standard is 10 points, with stalingrad and crossroads being the exceptions (8 and 12 respectively)

But there you go. Let the commence. Lol

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 02:45 AMIncendiaryRounds

That's what I was thinking, kinda. Just turn the map into something like Caen. Urban but wider streets. The problem like u said about lights only pathways makes microing very hard. In a pitched battle, you don't remember every detail about the map which ways I can use to escape and Stalingrad is the worst map with a million little roads.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 02:49 AMTric

Yes. Not to mention the shift click bug with vehicles still in the game. I think some just larger general changes to how pathing performs and making sure that pathing functions better, and then moving into garrisons and LoS issues would be the easiest. After that maybe a rework of the territory points, which is easy, or just including the 2 new territory points to actually have cutoffs.

But overall the map is pretty simple to fix, its largely just a ton of really strange pathing decisions and the over abundance of green cover on everything (which is why there are so many strange pathing issues).

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2019, 02:16 AMTric

Constructive criticism is always fine, its the people that go "Kill yourself your maps are shit" or the general "map sucks" or the back handed trolling that incendiary is currently doing that makes them not get listened to.