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well i guess mg is fucking useless as cons can beat it when they go from behind, buff the mg 42 as it should beat cons in all situations
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as i said in that post obers lose to commando and ranger and ppsh shocks
Cons are 40mp more expensive... the whole point was cons have less fighting ability despite being 40 mp more expensive... but sure since you think that cons have similar fighting ability to ostruppen then lets make cons 200mp...
Katitof-2018
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This argument is besides the point... and judging by your dumb conclusions its clear you lack experience in playing ukf usf and sov...
Ok lets make the zis 3 the maxim and the cons a clone of the pak 40 the mg42 and ostruppen and i bet you you would find them OP...
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ost one is till more precise for how the mechanics of the games works,as it has more range and so the scatter scale slower having more chance to hit
- I am not new to the game. In a 1vs1 Maxim will win. Same as Vickers, you will make more kills with it becaue of lower suppression. You have enough tools, you don't have to play as with Ostheer.
- The changed US mortar some patches ago, the are now nearly the same.
Attribute Editor:
US Moratar range 75 (Barrage)
Axis Moratar range 80 (Barrage)
So, that isn't such huge difference + the quicker movement. For me US mortars has better survivability.
- Sure, the ability is still good. But on German sight of view quicker rotation and movement would be better.
You say Ostheer has the best support weapon. In my opinion they are good, but not the best.
Katitof-2018
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- I am not new to the game. In a 1vs1 Maxim will win. Same as Vickers, you will make more kills with it becaue of lower suppression. You have enough tools, you don't have to play as with Ostheer.
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ost one is till more precise for how the mechanics of the games works,as it has more range and so the scatter scale slower having more chance to hit
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as i said in that post obers lose to commando and ranger and ppsh shocks
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PIONEER SPAM
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You can count on osttruppen, no really, you can!
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Oh, I remember I saw this tactic before.
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Permanently Bannedthe amount of balance experts in this thread is damn too high
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Sure, that is the point. That is why Zis can shoot explosives and Cons get a molotov. That is why you get a T70 instead of 222 is soviet.
You wan't a better MG, use DShK.
Edit: Whats the point of your "whine" about the grande upgrade? You can't counter 222 or Küberwagen?
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dont .... me using false facts, obers are tier 3 units , TIER 3,they cost more (340 mp + tech cost) and pay for the mg 34 like other, but i guess u dont know as u never played okw, and u said quite well they are cqc units just like cons, while ober are long range untis, just like ostruppen each unit have advantage and disvantage, just to let u know by ur logic volks should beat cons at all ranges just cause they cost 10 mp more, and IS would lose to PG at long range cause they are at tier 2 and cost more
Those are dedicated cqc infantry with thompson rangers ppsh shocks and commandos being more expensive than obers...
Katitof-2018
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Wait, if you want to utilize doctrine-specified unit, Sov can skip T2 smoothly by using lend-lease doctrine.
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Barrage is a crappy ability thats worse than target weakpoint in most cases unless the opponent is blobbing like a noob
The T70 costs 70 fuel... the 222 costs 30
The pak and the zis have the same cost at 320 mp but the zis has worse RA than the pak
The dshk has been nerfed to uselessness... nobody brings it
The whole point is that conscripts are too expensive and the maxim offers no real advantages to the mg42... argue on these points quit derailing the argument...
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Wait, if you want to utilize doctrine-specified unit. Sov can skip T2 smoothly by using lend-lease doctrine.
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dont .... me using false facts, obers are tier 3 units , TIER 3,they cost more (340 mp + tech cost) and pay for the mg 34 like other, but i guess u dont know as u never played okw, and u said quite well they are cqc units just like cons, while ober are long range untis, just like ostruppen
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they have the same fucking difference as PG and IS, IS wins at 30 or more range base vs PG while PG wins at close range, and PG come later and at tier 2, same is for ostuppen but + they NEED to stay in cover to get the dps needed to beat cons
Yes because obers are NON DOCTRINAL while rangers shocks and commandos are DOCTRINAL... the only thing that can reliably beat obers non doctrinally is DOUBLE BAR RIFLES.... no exceptions
Now compare cons to ostruppen... ostruppen are doctrinal but come out AT THE SAME TIME AS CONS and are 40 MP CHEAPER for similar or worse FIGHTING ABILITY...
But yes everything feels like false facts thru rose colored sunglasses
Katitof-2018
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they have the same fucking difference as PG and IS, IS wins at 30 or more range base vs PG while PG wins at close range, and PG come later and at tier 2, same is for ostuppen but + they NEED to stay in cover to get the dps needed to beat cons
guess how much Pg cost more than IS
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