Increase light jaegars price

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 17:42 PMmortiferum

If it is a munition snipe then its base performance would need to go up as well? It is only so broken with the 70%+ snipe, not because the rifles are particularly impressive.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 18:27 PMTobis

The snipe is the only thing they have going for them, otherwise they are grenadiers with more RA and a bunch of abilities that are split between ost commanders.

Price to 280 mp
Make the ambush bonus not work against retreating units

Comparing them to obers is moronic. They are more equivalent to barred riflemen at 280 mp. Making them 280 mp leaves them effective without overnerfing them.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 18:34 PMmortiferum

But we need to overnerf things otherwise it does not satisfy my anger/ desire for revenge.

/s

6000 MP and CP50 I SAY!!!

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 19:02 PMgbem

with a 45 muni sniper however the crit is soo insanely powerful it can delete penal squads and IS relatively easily...

as ive tested the sniper when paired with 1 volks can lay waste to 2x penals while the jagers didnt even lose a single man(!!!!).... 250mp + 250mp + 45 muni > 300mp + 300MP... therefore it is only logical to nerf the jagers to 340 mp or even more as 340 + 250 already = 590... which is still cheaper than 2 penals which by the way jagers exterminate

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 19:05 PMthedarkarmadillo

340 is too much. They are not worth that without support and don't deserve to be priced as such. 300 would be the ABSOLUTE most they could be priced at. And I feel that is even too much without actually receiving a buff, at which point they would need to be pushed back in timing...

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 19:07 PMgbem

they took out 2x penals when paired with an accompanying volks squad... even at 340mp jager + volks STILL cost less than 2 penals...

tested on cheatmods btw...

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 19:11 PMthedarkarmadillo

At 340 you are saying that that squad is individually worth more than a penal squad, than a Sturm squad that it is compatible with guards, shocks and Obers. That is simply not the case. They are over performing, but without another squad to screen or deal the damage to allow the crit they wouldn't hold up at all against those units and shouldn't be considered in the same bracket. They are powerful force multipliers but not a force of their own.

Was you test invoking micro? Because should the penals be microed to focus fire the JLI those 12 models should be able to gun them down pretty quickly

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 18:56 PMthedarkarmadillo

Transform them into a light recon team. Camo, sprint, model snipe (what about something like the OST sniper vet round that gives a small stun? No aoe attack tho), maybe decap quicker? They could remain rather cheap if they are not such powerful force multipliers because as is a pair of JLI and a pair of volks is scarier than just 4 volks and is actually better on the munitions... Less powerful apart but devistating together.

Personally I think a price up to 280 is a good start, that and lower the crit slightly, again start with something like 60% and see how those pair of nerfs make them feel. Small steps for fine tuning not sledgehammer nerfs to remove the unit from the game

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 19:15 PMgbem

jli is a sniper squad... the purpose of the volks is a screening force to keep the penals from rushing the JLI in a similar way ost sov or brits use screening infantry for the sniper... but i get your point they need a screening force... but likewise snipers also cost 360 manpower for their performance... however critting much more powerfully than jagers do... by that logic snipers should get a cost reduction... as they dont hold up against obers or shocks and require screens just like JLI do...

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 19:44 PMLago

290. They're infiltrating Pathfinders.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 19:41 PMthedarkarmadillo

Snipers are guaranteed kills no matter anything and operate beyond the range of return fire so its less comparable. They need a screening force but that's more for Los than needing something to sofen the enemy up for them. An unsupported JLI is underwhelming but even an unsupported sniper operates as intended. It will always drop a model no matter what it is or what is around.

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 19:45 PMthedarkarmadillo

290 sounds good. What were they before? I don't recall

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 19:53 PMgbem

i say if 70% crit 300 or above...

60% 280...

50% 250...

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 19:04 PMgbem

waaah i want my overpowered unit to remain overpowered because i need them to win...

Jump back to quoted post24 Dec 2018, 19:55 PMmortiferum

Hadnt played OKW in a while, playing with shock + for mother russia atm

If you are not incapable of reading, you can see I did say "Unit need nerf", but not "knee jerk 6cp 380 mp nerf into irrelevance Gbem style".