Conscripts need to be cheaper

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 19:30 PMWiderstreit

Sure, they are. But with the STG44 upgrade (sure other stats as Sturmpio) they become something else. Why an upgrade if you can replace them with Sturmpios and Obersoldaten? I don't see the reason for the upgrade.

With Commander Volks can get a MP40 upgrade. Can be replaced by Sturmpios and Obersoldaten or call-ins.

So why the STG44 upgrade? Only because of blobbing?

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 19:30 PMWiderstreit

Sure, they are. But with the STG44 upgrade (sure other stats as Sturmpio) they become something else. Why an upgrade if you can replace them with Sturmpios and Obersoldaten? I don't see the reason for the upgrade.

With Commander Volks can get a MP40 upgrade. Can be replaced by Sturmpios and Obersoldaten or call-ins.

So why the STG44 upgrade? Only because of blobbing?

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 19:42 PMTheGentlemenTroll

The STG44 on volks is a steroid buff at all ranges, so its still ideal to keep volks at mid-long range. Only exception might be Tommies.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 18:13 PMCyra

Aren't volksgrendiers literally translate to Civilian Soldiers and if I remember history right, Volks should be on par of Conscripts since thats what they were historically.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 19:53 PMjagd wölfe

Indeed
Which is something several people complain about, but actually means nothing.

Mg42 is a buff at all ranges
G42 is a buff at all ranges
Dp28 is a buff at all ranges
.....

The "iTsAnOBRaiNer" bullshit again and again

Any of you guys complaining about "no brainer" upgrade ...point me a single upgrade that isn't a no brainer
How many times did you avoid mg42 as grens if you didn't have a g43 doctrine ?
How many times did you avoid cons ppsh because of the long range dps downgrade except that ppsh cons are simply ten times more efficient anyway ?
How many times did you decide to not upgrade brens or bars if you had ammo racks ?

Every single upgrade except handheld at is a no brainer, unless there's two of them.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 20:03 PMTheGentlemenTroll

I don't think I was complaining about the STG44, I dont really have an issue with it minus the fact it confuses some players on the effective ranges the upgrade causes. IE a lot of people think the STG upgrade is just a mid to close range buff but in reality its a buff to all ranges.

I'd prefer it be more clear to less experienced players. Other than that I find STGs fine.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 19:53 PMDomine

CIVILIAN SOLDIERS


Now I've read fucking everything on these forums

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 20:40 PMthedarkarmadillo

How would you describe a militia? Because they mixed up VOLKSgrendier with VOLKSsturm. Completely unacceptable and totally unreasonable to mix up VOLKS with VOLKS. MADNESS I SAY.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 19:42 PMTheGentlemenTroll

The STG44 on volks is a steroid buff at all ranges, so its still ideal to keep volks at mid-long range. Only exception might be Tommies.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 22:17 PMjagd wölfe

"Volksgrenadier was the name given to a type of German Army division formed in the Autumn of 1944 after the double loss of Army Group Center to the Soviets in Operation Bagration and the Fifth Panzer Army to the Allies in Normandy. The name itself was intended to build morale, appealing at once to nationalism (Volk) and Germany's older military traditions (Grenadier). Germany formed 78 VGDs during the war. Volksgrenadier divisions were professional military formations with effective weapons and equipment, unlike the unrelated Volkssturm militia."

Can we put an end to the semantic debate here ?

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 22:35 PMthedarkarmadillo

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Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 22:22 PMmurky depths

From that same article, 2 more paragraphs below.

"They were organized around small cadres of hardened veteran soldiers, NCOs and officers, and then bulked out with anything the Replacement Army could supply: "jobless" personnel of the shrinking Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe, wounded soldiers from broken formations returning to duty from hospitals, older men who would have been considered too old or too unfit for the peacetime army and teenagers were recruited into the ranks."

Not that I'd necessarily quote wikipeda as my go to source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksgrenadier

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 22:52 PMjagd wölfe

Also the whole "Volksturm were put in volks division" is bullshit because a quick check of the order of battle and division organization can confirm that volksgrenadiers was under the command of the Heer while volkssturm was under the command of the NSDAP

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 22:32 PMWiderstreit

Panzerfüsiliere could get something else.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 23:37 PMJae For Jett

Like? Ptrs and schrecks wouldnt work. Lmgs would probably make them a go-to option, and create overlap with obers.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 23:44 PMthedarkarmadillo

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Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2018, 23:46 PMWiderstreit

Could be a solution. Because also merge will become better.


But... so also Ostheer Pios get cheaper or get a buff? 180mp and weapon range buff??