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How does the slightly less accuracy and damage translate to DPS considering the extra model?
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Volks always win long range against Cons. And if Cons close range against Volks they obviously lose too due to losing models on close up. Heck even if they did beat them STG upgrade makes Cons redundant as they simply lose in every situation, which is why everyone goes Penals vs OKW anyway.
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False and false, cons fight even better at longer range due to better accuracy, closing in is nonsensical and the first thing to do is take cover to max out durability.
Cons were meta in GCS2 with 520 units built compared to only 260 penal battallions.
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My dps question was actually about the stats I replied under. Grens and volks, the one where volks have slightly less accuracy and less damage but have an extra model... That one...
And again, upgraded volks don't matter. If you are seeing vet 2/3 cons and don't have an army of stg volks you are asking to lose. If you see ANY cons and don't have STGs you are not playing you are trolling. Cons only have that vet because without it they have nothing at all, and even then, if they have to replace a cons squad they are way on the back foot where replacing a volks squad can be brought mostly up to snuff with a simple munitions expenditure.
You can hardly talk about unuograded volks vs vetted cons as if that is realistically even a scenario when STGs come long before vet 3 cons do..
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The difference is minimal, especially because volks have a different starting durability.
Grenadiers starts scaling far better with their much better veterancy.
It matters to the discussion, since some people are saying that unupgraded volks win over cons
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Grenadiers
Damage per shot: 16
Accuracy: 0.65/0.52
Volks
Damage per shot: 12
Accuracy: 0.62/0.55
Get your facts straight
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Where did you get these numbers?
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Literally everything you are typing is lies and misinformation.
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Where did you get these numbers?
Literally everything you are typing is lies and misinformation.
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Where did you get these numbers?
Grens:
Accuracy: .748 : .661 : .598
Volks:
Accuracy: .748 : .713 : .679
Cons:
Accuracy: .757 : .660 : .557
Literally everything you are typing is lies and misinformation.
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Just so people stop making up numbers and throwing out irrelevant stats:
https://coh2db.com/stats/
Volks squad DPS at max range: 5 (models) x 1.807 (DPS/model) = 9.035 (DPS)
Cons squad DPS at max range: 6 x 1.06 = 6.36
Volks effective durability: 5 (models) / 1.0 (RA) = 5 (effective models worth of durability)
Cons effective durability: 6 / 1.09 = ~5.5
Volks DPS / Cons DPS: 9.035 / 6.36 = 1.42 = 142%
Cons durability / Volks durability: 5.5 / 5 = 1.1 = 110%
Volks have 42% more dps than cons at max range than cons. Cons are only 10% more durable than volks.
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Just so people stop making up numbers and throwing out irrelevant stats:
https://coh2db.com/stats/
Volks squad DPS at max range: 5 (models) x 1.807 (DPS/model) = 9.035 (DPS)
Cons squad DPS at max range: 6 x 1.06 = 6.36
Volks effective durability: 5 (models) / 1.0 (RA) = 5 (effective models worth of durability)
Cons effective durability: 6 / 1.09 = ~5.5
Volks DPS / Cons DPS: 9.035 / 6.36 = 1.42 = 142%
Cons durability / Volks durability: 5.5 / 5 = 1.1 = 110%
Volks have 42% more dps than cons at max range than cons. Cons are only 10% more durable than volks.
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The actual DPS of VG should be lower then the theoretical. The reason is overkill, VG need to do 84 damage to kill a model so there actual DPS should be around 5% less (around 8.605)
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Opinions of top 300's might aswell be top 5k
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Bullshit, volks rifle has 12 damage and less accuracy than grens rifles.
Cons straight up win and has been proved multiple times
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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They are too cheap, too spammble, consistent damage, they throw those incendiary grenades like pro baseball players, plus they make the entire garrison/cover play style look like a joke and toward mid-late game are like terminators. Either do something about the STG upgrade/flame nade or make them more expensive to reinforce and call it a day.
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