Infiltration commandos 3 men at spawn

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2018, 17:47 PMJae For Jett

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Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2018, 17:45 PMJae For Jett

The best approach would probably be to just give them tommy rifles and nerf their commando brens.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2018, 17:52 PMVipper

Nice!
Well done Cruzz and Tightrope

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2018, 20:54 PMRoastinGhost

I'd like to point out that the Commando's Light Gammon Bomb is significantly scarier than the Stromtrooper's new Incendiary Grenade (interestingly, the light Gammon and bundle grenades are identical). That means that Commandos' damage is affected less by having fewer models.

Overall, I'd say that the Stormtrooper infiltration solution is more elegant, but I don't mind that there's a difference, especially when Commandos can become a 5-man squad.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2018, 18:58 PMJae For Jett

Need to add that I believe that Janne252 was the one who actually got the job done.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2018, 17:45 PMJae For Jett

The best approach would probably be to just give them tommy rifles and nerf their commando brens.

Jump back to quoted post20 Oct 2018, 02:01 AMLoopDloop

They cost a lot more and are doctrinal, so I don’t see why a high long range dps model in exchange for almost no potency while moving would need to be nerfed.

Jump back to quoted post20 Oct 2018, 03:05 AMJae For Jett

Because they are at ober level when they have brens. Putting them over ober level is probably just too much. Its not like theyre only slightly better than tommies, and its not like I actually suggested putting their rifle + bren performance worse than their current sten + bren performance.

Jump back to quoted post19 Oct 2018, 20:58 PMKatitof

Commandos start with nades on cooldown.
Storms not, despite even partisans having molotov on cooldown.

Jump back to quoted post21 Oct 2018, 00:09 AMSwitzerland

That is not intended, Miragefla has said it was an oversight and the abilities should at some point all be on cooldown upon spawn.

Jump back to quoted post21 Oct 2018, 00:11 AMKatitof

I know, just certain other someone believed its fair and balanced.

Jump back to quoted post20 Oct 2018, 23:08 PMLoopDloop

While I do agree 100% with you, aren't they similar in cost? Also, aren't ober rifles a lot better than tommy rifles, especially on the move? I'm not sure about this, but don't obers also get better veterancy bonuses overall? Commandos are also doctrinal while obers are not, and are the only elite infantry squad brits have (actually, they're the only other combat infantry brits have besides tommies too). The thing that mostly makes me agree with you, though, is the fact that they have camo and are a 5 man squad.

And at the end of the day, commandos are much better with stens anyway and this is mostly a moot point.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 00:31 AMJae For Jett

Ober rifles being better than tommy rifles isn't really the point though. The two brens more or less equal the mg34 AND the 3 ober rifles (again, long range). So imagine if obers had 3 extra tommy rifles of DPS.

Yes, obers get better veterancy (you can make arguments about the ambush bonus, smoke, or whatever else being conditionally better, but as a whole, obers definitely do have better vet).

I think timing is a consideration too. Besides this, I think what you posted is a fairly complete picture of the comparison.

Anyway, I think the point is that there is justification for reasonable concern that enfields + brens become an issue, and that would be enough to warrant counteractive measures (nerfs to their brens) - especially since their current bren combo seems fine in its current state.

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2018, 00:31 AMLoopDloop

And again, getting brens instead of stens is more or less shooting oneself in the foot and should be avoided anyway.

• Spawn at 5 men with 5x Lee Enfield. No more disproportional manpower cost.

• Free upgrade to Sten guns, similar to CRP Stormtrooper MP 40 package.

• Spawning with rifles should prevent mass wipes on retreat, while 5 men spawn with the free upgrade ultimately rewards good planning and cunning by being to infiltrate with a full strength squad.

• Nerf commando Brens DPS to a level that 3x Lee Enfield + 2x Commando Bren have the same long range DPS as 2x Commando Brens (and 3x Stens) have now.

• This would give Commandos two distinct roles as either CQC or elite long range, depending on player preference or strategic choice.

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2018, 09:02 AMSander93

So in conclusion having them spawn with rifles (with a few tweaks) would fix most issues.
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Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2018, 12:39 PMVipper

or simply add the option to be built from HQ at the normal price of the unit.

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2018, 13:11 PMSander93

But that doesn't adress the disproportional MP price of infiltration spawning them as 3-men nor their severely restricted combat effectiveness (and survivability on retreat) while doing so?

Jump back to quoted post20 Oct 2018, 03:05 AMJae For Jett

Because they are at ober level when they have brens. Putting them over ober level is probably just too much. Its not like theyre only slightly better than tommies, and its not like I actually suggested putting their rifle + bren performance worse than their current sten + bren performance.