It becomes each time harder to get through tier building with soviets.
T70 has its use, but in most cases when you play soviets you are many timpes tempted to skip whatever you can because you will be bleeding a lot of fuel in order to get to the T4 tanks.
T34 used to be built in tier 3, now it takes too long to field these fragile but effective tanks, building a tank from tier 3 is always a risk, but it could possibly be balanced if tier 4 was cheaper, so even if I had to lose.
I mean look how fast and easy ostheer gets a Panzer 4, and being also a faction with strong defensive option
On top of that they count with a big amount of callins.
There is a reasion call-ins were a strong part of soviet meta for so long.
Reduce the cost of tier 4
4 Oct 2018, 03:10 AM
#1
Posts: 378
T34 85 needs to have slightly less AI. It's shells are basically on par with Sherman HE yet it does everything.
4 Oct 2018, 04:31 AM
#2
Posts: 1979
Well... even with a T70 skip it actually takes equal fuel to get a panzer 4 out with a T34... which i find kinda ridiculous... +1 to the OP
4 Oct 2018, 08:56 AM
#3
Posts: 951
I would say that this is more of a thread asking for balance instead of advice.
/Moved.
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4 Oct 2018, 09:01 AM
#4
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4 Oct 2018, 09:06 AM
#5
Posts: 172
Permanently Bannedmove t-34 back to t3 tbqh
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4 Oct 2018, 09:23 AM
#6
Posts: 1979
move t-34 back to t3 tbqh
This would be ridiculously OP... 95 fuel to t3... some 180 fuel to T34... just make t4 separate and make it cost like 120 fuel
4 Oct 2018, 09:24 AM
#7
Posts: 1979
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Highest winrate in gcs not enough for you?
4 Oct 2018, 09:59 AM
#8
Posts: 3166 | Subs: 6
Highest winrate in gcs not enough for you?
Woa hold on there, German win rates in GCS are bloated because they were facing the clearly weak USF and underpowered UKF. OST/SOV/OKW matchup seems basically balanced at first glance so I don't think the Soviets really need drastic changes such as lower tech costs.
Soviets even had a 56% WR against OST, actually.
4 Oct 2018, 10:16 AM
#9
Posts: 1979
Woa hold on there, German win rates in GCS are bloated because they were facing the clearly weak USF and underpowered UKF. OST/SOV/OKW matchup seems basically balanced at first glance so I don't think the Soviets really need drastic changes such as lower tech costs.
Soviets even had a 56% WR against OST, actually.
i know... i generally dont want soviet buffs unless it involves their non meta builds like T4... the SU-76 and the maxim... which means i dont want sov to perform better i just want their gameplay to be less monotonous... #penalspam2T-70 or T-34 without any other strategy possible is a bit boring...
regardless i recognize that UKF and USF are the ones in real needs of buffs... id rather have 3 playable factions even with SOV being monotonous than 1 superfun faction and 2 useless ones... soo by all means buff UKF and USF first... before anything else please put those 2 factions on par with the rest... but if doable SOV T2 and T4 teching needs a look see aswell... that ways winning can be done in ways other than penal/m3 abuse into T-70/34
4 Oct 2018, 15:54 PM
#10
Posts: 518
Well... even with a T70 skip it actually takes equal fuel to get a panzer 4 out with a T34... which i find kinda ridiculous... +1 to the OP
OST: T1/10 F + BG1 Upgrade/40 F + T2/20F + BG2/90 F + T3/15 F + Pz 4 120 F = 295 Fuel
SU: T1/10 F (or T2/20 F) + T3/85 F + T4/90 F + T34/90 F = 275/285 Fuel
OKW: 2* 15 Fuel/HT + T1 25/ T2 45 F + 120 F/T 3 + 140 F/Pz 4 = 315/335 Fuel
How is that equal ?
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Playing with randoms
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
4 Oct 2018, 18:21 PM
#11
Posts: 1527
Permanently BannedSoviets are in a good spot if you love to use GCS results to explain EVERYTHING. Therefore, no changes are needed and this thread can be closed. I'm talking to u, gbem, Mr. Hypocrite.
Cresc is a SU fanboy troll. First he makes a thread about how mg42 is op around 2 weeks ago, now he changed his username to #removesnipers and now he has a problem with teching that has been like this for years. Seems everytime he loses a game, he comes here to ragepost. Nerf everything I struggle with, not my fault, axis op.
Cresc is a SU fanboy troll. First he makes a thread about how mg42 is op around 2 weeks ago, now he changed his username to #removesnipers and now he has a problem with teching that has been like this for years. Seems everytime he loses a game, he comes here to ragepost. Nerf everything I struggle with, not my fault, axis op.
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4 Oct 2018, 19:19 PM
#12
Posts: 378
Is this even acceptable as argument? I just called you out on bullshit for giving advice to other players but still can't provide a playercard to showcase your level 
Tier building with soviets have always been a problem, and there is a clear imbalance between ostheer and soviets when it comes to reaching tier 4 which is mandatory for soviets and something you can do without if as ostheer as the latest tanks are situational for either blob counter or strang anti-tank.
Even the katyushas are stuck there which are your only tool against turtling...
Tier building with soviets have always been a problem, and there is a clear imbalance between ostheer and soviets when it comes to reaching tier 4 which is mandatory for soviets and something you can do without if as ostheer as the latest tanks are situational for either blob counter or strang anti-tank.
Even the katyushas are stuck there which are your only tool against turtling...
T34 85 needs to have slightly less AI. It's shells are basically on par with Sherman HE yet it does everything.
4 Oct 2018, 20:40 PM
#13
Posts: 518
Tier building with soviets have always been a problem, and there is a clear imbalance between ostheer and soviets when it comes to reaching tier 4
OST: T1/10 F + BG1 Upgrade/40 F + T2/20F + BG2/90 F + T3/15 F + Pz 4 120 F = 295 Fuel
SU: T1/10 F (or T2/20 F) + T3/85 F + T4/90 F + T34/90 F = 275/285 Fuel
OKW: 2* 15 Fuel/HT + T1 25/ T2 45 F + 120 F/T 3 + 140 F/Pz 4 = 315/335 Fuel
You need 10 fuel more to reach T4 as SU than OST needs to reach T3. But on the other hand you can push T 34 out earlier due higher price of Pz 4.
Where is your problem?
which is mandatory for soviets and something you can do without if as ostheer
1. You can also do without T4 as soviets for a long time (if not the whole match long) since Su 76 has a pretty neat AT capability + arty
2. You realize, that OST player needs to spend almost as much fuel to get T3 as the Soviet player needs to get T4? So your *hurr durr* OST has cheaper teching because it deosn't need T4 is just ...
Even the katyushas are stuck there which are your only tool against turtling...
Two questions:
- What is a Su 76/Zis 3/Mortar ?
- where exaclty is panzerwefer?
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Playing with randoms
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
4 Oct 2018, 20:46 PM
#14
Posts: 1044 | Subs: 1
t3 t34 would be blatantly op.
changing entire tech costs like t4 cost is a bad idea, as it basically buffs all units in the tech and messes up timings, similarly the KV1 and t3485 would get buffed since they get out earlier. The t3476 is fine, its mgs are good against infantry and its cheap. If you need something stronger there is always the kv1 and t3485 in doctrines that are also very good.
changing entire tech costs like t4 cost is a bad idea, as it basically buffs all units in the tech and messes up timings, similarly the KV1 and t3485 would get buffed since they get out earlier. The t3476 is fine, its mgs are good against infantry and its cheap. If you need something stronger there is always the kv1 and t3485 in doctrines that are also very good.
bg /l
4 Oct 2018, 21:04 PM
#15
Posts: 2358
move t-34 back to t3 tbqh
No, thats not the way this works. Do you imagine a good AI tank rushing in before any other factions lights not to mention it will wreak havok any defensive position?
T34 were kind of late war tanks, the game tries to mimic some historical value, so its a double negative.
It becomes each time harder to get through tier building with soviets.
I mean look how fast and easy ostheer gets a Panzer 4, and being also a faction with strong defensive option
T2 and T3 are the first offensive options in OST.
Pz4 is a good way to start pushing the frontlines, the only solid one. Before that it all depend on the mistakes of the enemy.
Historically Pz3 were in the combat field by the time T34 came, but you just cant add 3 different types of tanks for the sake of historical facts. Pz4 ausf G and Pz3 A.C/D They are pretty similar in their roles. Also Pz3 would be as cheap as T34...
Finally if you let OST get Pz4 that fast you really missed some weak spots to exploit.
Well... even with a T70 skip it actually takes equal fuel to get a panzer 4 out with a T34... which i find kinda ridiculous... +1 to the OP
I suppose you are right, even though only the first Pz4 cost the same as an T34. The second one and so on T34 are cheaper and cheaper in fuel investment. Its balanced on its own way. Simple math. Also the game would be really flawed if a single T34(76) can take on a Pz4 A.G. Simply not acceptable.
4 Oct 2018, 21:07 PM
#16
Posts: 2358
Why not making T4 not dependent of T3?
Tweak some fuel values. Make timings propper.
SOV are still a strong faction. Sad to say the only strong in Allies right now.
Tweak some fuel values. Make timings propper.
SOV are still a strong faction. Sad to say the only strong in Allies right now.
4 Oct 2018, 21:09 PM
#17
Posts: 1044 | Subs: 1
T34 were kind of late war tanks, the game tries to mimic some historical value, so its a double negative.
While I agree t34 in t3 would be op, this is a immensely horrible argument.
bg /l
4 Oct 2018, 21:37 PM
#18
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Why not making T4 not dependent of T3?
Tweak some fuel values. Make timings propper.
SOV are still a strong faction. Sad to say the only strong in Allies right now.
It used to be like that 4 years ago. Wasn't very good, fell into the same problems ostheer has where half the tech is ignored in 4/5 games.
Right now the only soviet vehicle I don't see very often is the halftrack. Everything else gets seen a reasonable amount in different matches. Even the doctrinal tanks. Seems balanced.
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4 Oct 2018, 21:40 PM
#19
Posts: 2358
While I agree t34 in t3 would be op, this is a immensely horrible argument.
why so?
4 Oct 2018, 21:43 PM
#20
Posts: 2358
It used to be like that 4 years ago. Wasn't very good, fell into the same problems ostheer has where half the tech is ignored in 4/5 games.
Right now the only soviet vehicle I don't see very often is the halftrack. Everything else gets seen a reasonable amount in different matches. Even the doctrinal tanks. Seems balanced.
I understand. But if half tech was skip then it must be because those units dont make any difference in the match. I know im about to start a flame dragon demon right now, but nerf T34 and buff some of the T3 units to compensate and make SOV to really consider skipping techs.
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