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19 Sep 2013, 21:45 PM
#41
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I would be disappointed if there wasn´t a new German faction or at least a huge chunk of equipment added to the current Ostheer faction.

There´s just so much stuff that´s not included: Jagdpanzer IV (L48/L70), Jagdpanther, Jagdtiger, Hetzer, Nashorn, StuH42, Marder I-III, Nebelwerfer, Fallschirmjäger, Hummel, Wespe, Pak37, Flak36, Wirbelwind, Möbelwagen, Puma, Tiger II and whatnot.


Dissapointing that Relic forgot the Panzer III, that tank basically paved the way to Moskow.
19 Sep 2013, 23:42 PM
#42
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Sep 2013, 11:23 AMNullist
I think you misunderstand the meaning of the word "partisan".

or probably you should stfu as usual http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_resistance_movement#Partisan_movement
19 Sep 2013, 23:55 PM
#43
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 13:47 PMsimonp2
The japanese did fight the Soviet army on the asian mainland in the late 30ties and in Manchuria in 1945.

But if they were to be included I think a USMC vs Imperial Japan setup has tons of potential. Island battles, air and naval support etc. I Would love to play this.

They should latch onto "The Pacific" series really.


1000 times this! I would buy the game twice if they came out with a well done Imperial Army vs USMC. Units arriving from off map could come in on landing craft... Bonzai charges... Tommy guns, BARs, Nambus, Type 99s, rain storms, naval barrages, booby traps on everything... Holy crap I would play the heck out of that game!
19 Sep 2013, 23:58 PM
#44
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 23:55 PMEnkidu


1000 times this! I would buy the game twice if they came out with a well done Imperial Army vs USMC. Units arriving from off map could come in on landing craft... Bonzai charges... Tommy guns, BARs, Nambus, Type 99s, rain storms, naval barrages, booby traps on everything... Holy crap I would play the heck out of that game!

Sigh, I WOULD BUY THE GAME 3 TIMES IF THEY ADDED IRAQ AS A FACTION!!!! BUT I GUESS RELIC DOES LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY AND JUST ADD IRAQ TO THE GAME!!!!!!!!
20 Sep 2013, 08:41 AM
#45
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Firstly: Allthough a Pacific battle could be narrowed down to just island battles, you would have to simulate the role of air and navy by including a lot of off-map actions. I don't think that is a good idea. It'll end up being a point-and-click game.

Secondly: An african scenario would hold much of the same units that allready existed in COH1. Of course certain vehicles and weapons didn't arrive untill later. So some of them have to be swapped by earlier models. But it would not change anything in the essential mix of infantry and vehicles.

Thirdly: The claim that italians hardly saw action in WW2 is completely false. They fought the North african campaign alone to begin with, constituted a large share untill its ending AND they participated at the East front after that. As did rumanians, Bulgarians and countless of other nationalities. Some of these foreign forces could be included.

Fourth: We'll surely never see any units with 'SS' in it. And why really? Does it matter if the germans have just 'elite' infantry or if that elite infantry has skulls on their uniforms? I seriously don't think we need to include all the horror that it is connected with. This should stay a game that you can play relatively undistrubed by its historical context.
20 Sep 2013, 09:39 AM
#46
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i think that this commander system is the way theyre gonna bring out new content. You can only hope though :)
20 Sep 2013, 09:50 AM
#47
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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Sep 2013, 23:42 PMtuvok
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EVERY nation has partisans.
Germany had partisans. Russia had partisans. Ukraine had partisans. Finland had partisans. France had partisans.
EVERY nation has partisans.

par·ti·san 1 (pärt-zn)
n.
1. A fervent, sometimes militant supporter or proponent of a party, cause, faction, person, or idea.
2. A member of an organized body of fighters who attack or harass an enemy, especially within occupied territory; a guerrilla.
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of a partisan or partisans.
2. Devoted to or biased in support of a party, group, or cause: partisan politics.
[French, from Old French, from Old Italian dialectal partisano, variant of Old Italian partigiano, from parte, part, from Latin pars, part-; see part.]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/partisan

There are anarchist partisans, communist partisans, royalist partisans, fascist partisans, nationalist partisants etc ad nauseum.
partisans of all kinds of political motivations and nationalities.

Saying "partisans vs fascists" is fking retarded.

In Italy there where, among others, Communist, Socialist, ROYALIST, CATHOLIC and Anarchist partisans.

Read your fking own link.
20 Sep 2013, 10:16 AM
#48
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"Island battles" doesn't have to mean storm the beaches style gameplay. It could easily be done in the same way as COH2.

Besides, some of the battles were fought on rather large islands(Guadalcanal or Okinawa for instance) and even the smaller engagements like Peleliu or Iwo Jima took place on islands way bigger than the current COH2 maps.

Maybe for COH3 :)
20 Sep 2013, 10:19 AM
#49
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North Africa, with "Hot Tech".
20 Sep 2013, 11:02 AM
#50
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Sep 2013, 09:50 AMNullist

In Italy there where, among others, Communist, Socialist, ROYALIST, CATHOLIC and Anarchist partisans.

yes, and they all fought the fascists, which were in Italy.
20 Sep 2013, 12:10 PM
#51
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Sep 2013, 11:02 AMtuvok

yes, and they all fought the fascists, which were in Italy.


1) There where fascist partisans in Italy BEFORE there was a fascist state.

2) You think communist partisans worked with catholic or royalist partisans? all my lols.
They fought each other as much as they did the state.
Communism is extremely antipathic to catholicism or royalty, and vice versa.

Infact most of European political and partisan action, including the rise of the Nazi Reich and Italy's Fascism, was SPECIFICALLY to fight Communism.

You had the completely wrong impression of what "partisan" means.
20 Sep 2013, 15:08 PM
#52
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I believe that the next addition to СoH2 should be: the USSR against Japan. You can make a great single company:
  - Capture Japanese fortifications against them applied assault engineers (in the game shock troops) and ISU-152
  - Lend-Lease tanks
  - Special operations paratroopers
  - Battle of the island (marines)

In multiplayer, you can add two fractions:
  - Japan (the set of experimental and limited-edition tanks and self-propelled guns, paratroopers, marines, Heavy-Artillery)
  - Trans-Baikal Military District (BT-7, T-34-85, the Lend-Lease Sherman, IS-2, ISU-152, marines, paratroopers, pre-war camouflage and helmet covers)

In my opinion it was a great addition

USSR against Japan
20 Sep 2013, 19:16 PM
#53
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I believe that the next addition to СoH2 should be: the USSR against Japan. You can make a great single company:
  - Capture Japanese fortifications against them premenyalis assault engineers (in the game shock troops) and ISU-152
  - Lend-Lease tanks
  - Special operations paratroopers
  - Battle of the island (marines)

In multiplayer, you can add two fractions:
  - Japan (the set of experimental and limited-edition tanks and self-propelled guns, paratroopers, marines, Heavy-Artillery)
  - Trans-Baikal Military District (BT-7, T-34-85, the Lend-Lease Sherman, IS-2, ISU-152, marines, paratroopers, pre-war camouflage and helmet covers)

In my opinion it was a great addition

USSR against Japan

AND I BELIEVE THAT IRAQ SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE GAME!!!!! THINK ABOUT IT!!!! IT MAKES JUST AS MUCH SENSE AS HAVING JAPAN AND ITALY ADDED TO THE GAME!!!!
20 Sep 2013, 19:47 PM
#54
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Posts: 747

Maybe we will see a german faction (Waffen SS a.k.a PE) and some new soviet commanders (lend-lease, naval troops, defensive etc).

Desert Warfare is a good idea along with the cold war. (I already have plan for a cold war mod for COH 2 :D )


Mate get your facts straight. The PE illustrated the Panzer Lehr-Division which was the only fully mechanized Division in the Wehrmacht. It was part of the regular German Army and not the Waffen-SS.

On topic. I think the Eastern Front as the biggest war theater known to history bears enough potential for entertaining dlc/expansion content.

I really enjoy to once have a game without the all so glorious yanks in it.

20 Sep 2013, 20:40 PM
#55
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AND I BELIEVE THAT IRAQ SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE GAME!!!!! THINK ABOUT IT!!!! IT MAKES JUST AS MUCH SENSE AS HAVING JAPAN AND ITALY ADDED TO THE GAME!!!!


Nothing sarcastic, can make an exciting single-player campaign of the USSR against Japan. There is everything to play in the spirit of the Company of Heroes:
stealth mission
paratroopers behind enemy lines
Marines assault Islands
Breakthrough fortifications.

And about the Japanese in multepleer:
from multepleer not take 100% of the historicity
You can go the way of Men of War: Assault Squad there is well established Japanese Army
20 Sep 2013, 20:47 PM
#56
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Nothing sarcastic, can make an exciting single-player campaign of the USSR against Japan. There is everything to play in the spirit of the Company of Heroes:
stealth mission
paratroopers behind enemy lines
Marines assault Islands
Breakthrough fortifications.

And about the Japanese in multepleer:
from multepleer not take 100% of the historicity
You can go the way of Men of War: Assault Squad there is well established Japanese Army


Now try to balance the jap's paper tanks and their overall crap equipment against the soviets.
The Pacific Theater demands a whole different type of warfare. It is impossible to balance jap/sov and usmc/wehrmacht without creating a fantasy realm.
21 Sep 2013, 00:03 AM
#57
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Sep 2013, 09:50 AMNullist


EVERY nation has partisans.
Germany had partisans. Russia had partisans. Ukraine had partisans. Finland had partisans. France had partisans.
EVERY nation has partisans.

par·ti·san 1 (pärt-zn)
n.
1. A fervent, sometimes militant supporter or proponent of a party, cause, faction, person, or idea.
2. A member of an organized body of fighters who attack or harass an enemy, especially within occupied territory; a guerrilla.
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or characteristic of a partisan or partisans.
2. Devoted to or biased in support of a party, group, or cause: partisan politics.
[French, from Old French, from Old Italian dialectal partisano, variant of Old Italian partigiano, from parte, part, from Latin pars, part-; see part.]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/partisan

There are anarchist partisans, communist partisans, royalist partisans, fascist partisans, nationalist partisants etc ad nauseum.
partisans of all kinds of political motivations and nationalities.

Saying "partisans vs fascists" is fking retarded.

In Italy there where, among others, Communist, Socialist, ROYALIST, CATHOLIC and Anarchist partisans.

Read your fking own link.


I might add that "Fascism" is political ideology, not fighting force.....

You could certainly include Partisan faction into the game, as paramilitary fighting force.
'Fascists' are certainly not what Tuvok imagines term to be
21 Sep 2013, 00:59 AM
#58
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I´m against a Partisan faction being included. It just doesn´t fit the style of Coh2, where you have two opposing armies in an open fight opposing each other. Partisans fought asymmetric which means that they would lay ambushes, mines etc. but as soon as Germans found out their positions they got the hell out of there as they would hardly stand a chance in open combat. Most of their actions were behind the front lines and I doubt that it was common for them to fight a full equipped German regiment with Panthers and whatnot.

Seeing a whole faction of Partisans in Coh2 fighting it out with Panzer IVs etc. in open combat would be weird.

Not to mention that the Partisan combat on both sides was dirty. There were no prisoners taken from each side. I expect a depiction of the regular soldier from a game called "Company of heroes" and not some Partisans shooting Germans in the back or Einsatzgruppen killing civilians as reprisal.
21 Sep 2013, 04:49 AM
#59
avatar of Someone_different

Posts: 73


AND I BELIEVE THAT IRAQ SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE GAME!!!!! THINK ABOUT IT!!!! IT MAKES JUST AS MUCH SENSE AS HAVING JAPAN AND ITALY ADDED TO THE GAME!!!!


lietome,your joke was funny the first time and maybe the time after that but now please stop it because it is not funny anymore we got the sarcasm so shut up


Heat tech would be very good north africa would be an expansion i would buy
21 Sep 2013, 06:12 AM
#60
avatar of BabaRoga

Posts: 829


AND I BELIEVE THAT IRAQ SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE GAME!!!!! THINK ABOUT IT!!!! IT MAKES JUST AS MUCH SENSE AS HAVING JAPAN AND ITALY ADDED TO THE GAME!!!!


It makes perfect sense. What are you on about? It's a video game
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