Stormtrooper changes

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2018, 00:06 AMJae For Jett

They already were shock ppsh level, now they're slightly better than commando stens.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2018, 03:12 AMcyso

as far as I understand it's more about making stg44 accessible to ostheers, so we give ass grens stg44 and make them usable? ^^

i like the new sturmtrooper, i think they are useful right now

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2018, 03:03 AMmiragefla

I will just leave this hear so you can continue the discussion with what their MP40s currently are:

Stormtrooper MP 40: 0/10/15/17/20/25/35

18.69/18.69/7.14/2.449/0.717/0.1

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 19:00 PMSubstanceHg

I love stormtroopers, however that revamp is definitely a downgrade, you took elite out of elite unit, by the time you run up 2 models gone, there is nothing storm about theme, please add stgs 44 back .

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 19:00 PMSubstanceHg

I love stormtroopers, however that revamp is definitely a downgrade, you took elite out of elite unit, by the time you run up 2 models gone, there is nothing storm about theme, please add stgs 44 back .

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 19:57 PMLemonJuice

their mp40s arent pio or assgren mp40s lmao, they have their own unique profile. hell, they could make a whole new mp40 profile that is the exact same as their stg profile and people would still think its a nerf.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 21:16 PMJae For Jett

We could call them elite mp40s! That way anyone that argues they're no longer elite would even be objectively wrong.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 21:20 PMLoopDloop

Honestly though. Misinformed people keep complaining about how stormtroopers have no dps now and that couldn't be farther from the truth lol.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 21:31 PMKatitof

If there only existed some kind of preview mod they could play and check the changes in action before rushing on forums and complaining...

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 21:20 PMLoopDloop

Honestly though. Misinformed people keep complaining about how stormtroopers have no dps now and that couldn't be farther from the truth lol.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 23:01 PMthedarkarmadillo

I mean to be fair one would expect the new mp40 to follow the performance of the existing ones, which is lackluster to say the least (not unreasonable giving the timing of the some of the units slinging them) this whole same name but working differently business is getting out of hand (look at hit the dirt on cons and hit the dirt on guards for example) you shouldn't need to keep track of which things of the exact same name function in what way. Christ. Call it the mp-40/II just to define it or something..

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 21:59 PMShadowLinkX37

Alternativly they could just make them spawn with the StGs and just change the StG profile than making them MP40s....

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 23:23 PMLoopDloop

That's true. There's also 2 versions of the stg, m1 carbine, and kar98 too I think. It's all a bit unintuitive.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 23:25 PMJae For Jett

That was one way to approach it. The reason why I think mp40s make more sense is that storm mp40s behave similarly, but are stronger. Having them be stgs is a little jarring when they perform nothing like other stgs.

Of course there are already cases of weapons performing ENTIRELY different depending on which unit has them (volks stgs vs sturm, namely), but it's something I would personally like to avoid replicating.

I get that theres also the argument that stgs are historically strictly better than mp40s, and that they are therefore the weapon of elites - this much I agree with. But I don't see why storms have to thematically be super elites reliant on raw power as some others implied.

Jump back to quoted post21 Sep 2018, 21:20 PMLoopDloop

Honestly though. Misinformed people keep complaining about how stormtroopers have no dps now and that couldn't be farther from the truth lol.

Jump back to quoted post22 Sep 2018, 00:13 AMShadowLinkX37

I think both ways have their benefits, its just that when you say X unit has A weapon, there isn't a whole lot of information there to go off of. Like pioneers also have MP40s but perform very different. It's just CoH2 being itself in the poor ways it conveys information, most infamously veterancy.

And just for the sake of more information you're unsure of, the LMG34 deals only 4 damage when wielded by non-elites, vs the 6 of elites. One of the few things I was able to get into former patches thanks to Mr. Smith.