German units too cheap or are Allied units too expensive?

Jump back to quoted post23 Jul 2018, 15:21 PMFelixTHM

Penetration matters a lot vs Ost. 50 cal can rip through 222, flame HT, and flak ht, and when garrisoned can do enough damage to force a Luchs back.

Having lower penetration means you can't even force back lightly armoured half tracks.

Set-up/tear-down time is also an important consideration.

I think most people would prefer the MG42, obviously, since it's the easiest to use. Just pointing out that it isn't "strictly" superior to the 50 cal.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2018, 04:35 AMAntemurale

The wording of this makes it sound like something that belongs in Balance Discussion.

Anyways, back to the topic: I would not say that allied units perform poorly compared to their WM or OKW counterparts. It is simply a matter of where they perform well (what is their intended role, intended engagement distance, etc.).

Grenadiers beat Rear Echelons because they are designed to fight. They're designed to win engagements. Rear Echelons are designed to be support units. They can build a ton stuff, repair things like tanks, and (finally!) plant mines.

Directly comparing a combat unit to a utility unit isn't a fair comparison. You can say REs are 40MP less than Grens and perform poorly against them; I can say Pioneers are 40MP less than Conscripts and perform poorly against them.

In the days when I had way too much time to spare I actually conducted mass vacuum tests of all 1v1 infantry engagements that I knew of. Riflemen beat Grens and Volks at close and mid ranges in all circumstances (stock, upgraded, max vet & upgraded, no cover, yellow cover, green cover), even beating Volks at long range in the upgraded and max vet upgraded tests.

The M2HB .50 cal was nerfed only when they removed the Sprint ability, which is a perfectly reasonable as team weapons should be punished for being flanked. Popcap adjustments and adjusting suppression are minor yet also very reasonable. Even so, it has great suppression and amazing damage. The mighty MG42 does less damage but has a wider arc.

Arguing that it is locked behind tech is invalid, as the Maxim is also locked behind tech. The OKW MG34, as paltry as it is, is also locked behind tech (albeit is unlocked with any tech). Out of all the MGs locked behind tech, the M2HB is easily the most powerful one.

In all honesty, the cost-to-performance of most units in CoH2 is relatively well tuned at the moment; the biggest issues I can recall (off the top of my head) lie with heavy tanks, which are more difficult to use due to their massive hitboxes and their slow, cumbersome nature.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2018, 00:55 AMCODGUY

Supposedly Riflemen are better than Grens (although I have my doubts as to whether that's actually true all things considered) but that doesn't mean much. USF has to tech to grenades to deal with the damn things if they're in buildings and if you do that expect your opponent to be rolling out a Panzer 4 before you get your inferior Sherman on the field because its going to put you way behind due to the excessive cost of the grenade unlock.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2018, 08:28 AMA table

People, CODGUY is a laughing stock on the Steam forums due to him posting similiar ''discussion'' threads on the forum. Everyone debunks his arguments(which aren't even arguments as he never tests or validates his claims) and yet he continues to rant about how 75% of the playerbase are axis mains without any form of evidence.

Please don't take his delusional mindset seriously.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2018, 17:26 PMCODGUY

Oh please. All I do is call it like I see it and if .

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2018, 19:22 PMinsaneHoshi

So you admit that your opinions are just based on your biased interpretation and not on statistics, in game values or others experiences.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2018, 20:24 PMCODGUY

Well they're based primarily on playing the game I'd say.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2018, 21:20 PMinsaneHoshi

So subject to cognitive bias and your poor gameplay.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2018, 17:26 PMCODGUY

Oh please. All I do is call it like I see it...

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2018, 17:26 PMCODGUY

Oh please. All I do is call it like I see it and if you or some people on the Steam forums don't see it that way then fine, whatever.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2018, 22:39 PMShadowLinkX37

So you call it as you see it at rank 1000 and then complain on the forums and are countered by people who are most likely better than you. That’s a legitiment arguement.

People laugh because you refute their arguements which come from players with higher ranks, more games, more skill, more experience.

Want help on what you’re doing wrong? Ask for it.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2018, 23:12 PMZombiFrancis

Everything about this discussion and this BabyRage aside, it's not like high ranked players have ever given bad gameplay or balance advice, right? They always eat the soap.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2018, 22:39 PMShadowLinkX37

So you call it as you see it at rank 1000 and then complain on the forums and are countered by people who are most likely better than you. That’s a legitiment arguement.

People laugh because you refute their arguements which come from players with higher ranks, more games, more skill, more experience.

Want help on what you’re doing wrong? Ask for it.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2018, 21:38 PMCODGUY

To a certain extent maybe. But no more biased and no more based on poor gameplay than the crying from those calling for Brits to beaten with the nerf hammer over the last couple of years except that those people got what they wanted.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jul 2018, 02:11 AMinsaneHoshi

Being only slightly better than the worst is no way to go through life.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jul 2018, 01:11 AMCODGUY

Yeah and which factions did those high ranked players pick during this last GCS2? Pretty sure it was mostly OST and Soviets with the occasional USF and OKW.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jul 2018, 03:32 AMShadowLinkX37

It’s almost like the most complete factions are the best ones I don’t see any top players complaining about how riflemen are too weak.