In case anyone didn't catch the announcement, there's a new Commander Overhaul coming after GCS2. Two commanders per faction are getting a revamp and a new commander is being built for each faction.
So here's an unofficial poll. Which commander would you like to see get the rework treatment this time around?
I've marked commanders that were in the last rework with an asterisk*.
I've tried to stick something identifying in brackets for people who don't remember commanders by name, but many of the Ostheer and Soviet Commanders are remixes so they don't all have them.
UPDATE: There are now official threads by Sturmpanther!
SOV: https://www.coh2.org/topic/81449/soviet-commander-revamp-discussion
OST: https://www.coh2.org/topic/81452/wehrmacht-commander-revamp-discussion
USF: https://www.coh2.org/topic/81451/usf-commander-revamp-discussion
OKW: https://www.coh2.org/topic/81450/okw-commander-revamp-discussion
UKF: https://www.coh2.org/topic/81453/british-commander-revamp-discussion
Second Commander Rework
4 Jul 2018, 13:35 PM
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4 Jul 2018, 15:01 PM
#2
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Unfortunately a little group of people will decide what commanders will receive the rework, not the community.
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4 Jul 2018, 15:05 PM
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Unfortunately a little group of people will decide what commanders will receive the rework, not the community.
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That is true, tho you can have influence on this group and Relic, here on this forum.
People are reading the forum
4 Jul 2018, 15:13 PM
#4
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That is true, tho you can have influence on this group and Relic, here on this forum.
People are reading the forum
Can you make a dedicated suggestions thread? Perhaps per faction? This way people can submit ideas at a central location and the ideas could be summarized in the OP.
4 Jul 2018, 15:13 PM
#5
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Unfortunately a little group of people will decide what commanders will receive the rework, not the community.
That's a sensible course of action in my opinion. Last time Osttruppen got picked. Royal Engineer had one ability (Stand Fast) nerfed into obsolescence and that was considered its rework.
These polls are both entertaining and interesting nonetheless. I did not expect this many votes for the two Community Defensives.
4 Jul 2018, 15:20 PM
#6
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It's obvious that the USF Armored Company, UKF Artillery and OKW Elite Armor will get reworked, they're the doctrines that need the most attention. But yeah the defensive doctrines for the EFA were a surprise to me as well if I'm honest, it would be good to see more use of tank traps as other Armies besides USF and to a lesser extent OKW, perhaps the UKF will get them one day as well?
4 Jul 2018, 15:22 PM
#7
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I'd take Rifle over Armor. There's nothing really wrong with Armor, whereas Rifle and Tactical Support feel a bit lackluster.
Elite Armored is definitely a sensible pick. It's currently very much a teamgame-only commander.
I wouldn't say no to a second pass on USF Mechanized either.
Elite Armored is definitely a sensible pick. It's currently very much a teamgame-only commander.
I wouldn't say no to a second pass on USF Mechanized either.
4 Jul 2018, 15:24 PM
#8
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German Infantry Doctrine 
never seen that commander for the last 5 years
never seen that commander for the last 5 years
4 Jul 2018, 15:25 PM
#9
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That's a sensible course of action in my opinion. Last time Osttruppen got picked. Royal Engineer had one ability (Stand Fast) nerfed into obsolescence and that was considered its rework.
These polls are both entertaining and interesting nonetheless. I did not expect this many votes for the two Community Defensives.
Im all in for the polls. But I doubt these guys will choose because the polls.
They will choose what commanders will gain a rework for the 1v1 meta.
But nice work with that poll (because all commanders name).
I voted for the NKVD soviet guy, because COMMISSAR UNIT > ALL
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4 Jul 2018, 15:25 PM
#10
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German Infantry Doctrine
never seen that commander for the last 5 years
It's an early Ostheer one though, so you've seen bits of it everywhere else.
4 Jul 2018, 15:51 PM
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Can you make a dedicated suggestions thread? Perhaps per faction? This way people can submit ideas at a central location and the ideas could be summarized in the OP.
When it comes to the time yes.
When it comes to the time yes.
Im all in for the polls. But I doubt these guys will choose because the polls.
They will choose what commanders will gain a rework for the 1v1 meta.
But nice work with that poll (because all commanders name).
There will be both. 1vs1 and Teamgame i assume. Like for example 1 for 1vs1, 1 for 2vs2.
And i agree nice work for all the names and i like extras, because i am self had no idea, how every single commander got called
Tho I guess there will be a kind of new poll come in the future.
4 Jul 2018, 15:52 PM
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It's obvious that the […] OKW Elite Armor will get reworked, they're the doctrines that need the most attention […]
I don't think so, Elite Armor is a solid commander for team games. HEAT shells can make the Panzer IV dominate the mid game and give all late game tanks a huge damage buff (especially KT which does ~45% damage per shot to TDs with HEAT shells) and the Sturmtiger is always fun to use. Only the Panzer commander mechanics could use a buff maybe.
4 Jul 2018, 15:56 PM
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Imo this approach is very slow and fundamentally wrong.
There should be 2 process of changing commander:
1) Redesign. Commander that bring too much or too little on the table should be redesigned.
For instance: there is allot a talk about mobile defense but the problem of the commander is not balance issue but a design issue. The commander gives access to both an AT and AI vehicle with not tech and to doctrinal infantry. Nerfing the Puma or the C. PzIV is not the solution. changing the abilities is more suited for this commander.
2) Balancing abilities.
This is regardless of commander. For instance Soviet vehicles detection is an extremely weak ability and it should be brought inline with other similar abilities.
This is an issue both with and and the revamped commanders:
For instance Soviet tank hunter commander simply has too much AI for an thematically AT commander.
There should be 2 process of changing commander:
1) Redesign. Commander that bring too much or too little on the table should be redesigned.
For instance: there is allot a talk about mobile defense but the problem of the commander is not balance issue but a design issue. The commander gives access to both an AT and AI vehicle with not tech and to doctrinal infantry. Nerfing the Puma or the C. PzIV is not the solution. changing the abilities is more suited for this commander.
2) Balancing abilities.
This is regardless of commander. For instance Soviet vehicles detection is an extremely weak ability and it should be brought inline with other similar abilities.
This is an issue both with and and the revamped commanders:
For instance Soviet tank hunter commander simply has too much AI for an thematically AT commander.
4 Jul 2018, 16:13 PM
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Permanently BannedUnfortunately a little group of people will decide what commanders will receive the rework, not the community.
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4 Jul 2018, 16:14 PM
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Permanently BannedGerman Infantry Doctrine
never seen that commander for the last 5 years
Maybe you was should use it sometimes, oh wait, you was busy with meta mastrubate
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If you're not a ахіs lover when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a soviet fanboy by the time you're 30, you have no brain.
Relic delenda est
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4 Jul 2018, 16:26 PM
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Unfortunately a little group of people will decide what commanders will receive the rework, not the community.
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Boo hoo, relic gets to reneg if a dumb choice gets voted in.
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4 Jul 2018, 16:41 PM
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I don't think so, Elite Armor is a solid commander for team games. HEAT shells can make the Panzer IV dominate the mid game and give all late game tanks a huge damage buff (especially KT which does ~45% damage per shot to TDs with HEAT shells) and the Sturmtiger is always fun to use. Only the Panzer commander mechanics could use a buff maybe.
That and the repair ability as well, it's just painful to use compared to the other repair abilities, it disables your tank for like 30 ammo and Idk how much time to just fix a critical? Please... the Churchill does it automatically on the move at vet 3.
4 Jul 2018, 17:09 PM
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no see why should rework (1-2 ability )
But I see major use Commander should litte tweak some unit
sample (no idea for Ost and OKW for now )
Shock trooper should be Change Def Bonus like Armor 1.5 (33% defect form Small arm weapon exclude LMG type)
to lower target size ? main problem their faceoff LMG42 or LMG34 1.5 armor is useless need smoke open to closing
And Tommy Tank hunter is see should need coming form CP 1 not 2
form early UKF Play if not fix about AT snare
Edit and USF Ranger form GCS2 I think their need something but I no idea with good reason right now
But I see major use Commander should litte tweak some unit
sample (no idea for Ost and OKW for now )
Shock trooper should be Change Def Bonus like Armor 1.5 (33% defect form Small arm weapon exclude LMG type)
to lower target size ? main problem their faceoff LMG42 or LMG34 1.5 armor is useless need smoke open to closing
And Tommy Tank hunter is see should need coming form CP 1 not 2
form early UKF Play if not fix about AT snare
Edit and USF Ranger form GCS2 I think their need something but I no idea with good reason right now
4 Jul 2018, 17:20 PM
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4 Jul 2018, 17:29 PM
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Great tool to see all commanders:
The abilities in there are wrong.
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