Please get UKF out of my team games, they are dog shit.
16 Jun 2018, 16:13 PM
#1
Posts: 20
For the love of god just take this faction out of my team games, their emplacements are trash, nothing but a waste of resources, their infantry is trash, their support guns are trash, they are doing nothing but drag the USF and SU players down.
16 Jun 2018, 17:29 PM
#2
10 
Posts: 871
The faction is not the problem, but the players. UKF is perfectly viable in team games.
16 Jun 2018, 17:30 PM
#3
Posts: 2145 | Subs: 2
UKF is actually OP in team games. Just not very many people know how to play them. I suck at them but see players doing build like this doing very very well.
IS, MG, UC, Bofor/mortar/commandos, more commandos, Firefly. All of these synergize like a mofo. Early game IS+MG+UC pushes people around. Well placed bofor helps mid game. Commandos+Firefly = walk right thru enemy lines like they are not even there. Especially after some mortaring provides yellow cover everywhere.
IS, MG, UC, Bofor/mortar/commandos, more commandos, Firefly. All of these synergize like a mofo. Early game IS+MG+UC pushes people around. Well placed bofor helps mid game. Commandos+Firefly = walk right thru enemy lines like they are not even there. Especially after some mortaring provides yellow cover everywhere.
16 Jun 2018, 18:33 PM
#4
Posts: 3260
For the love of god just take this faction out of my team games, their emplacements are trash, nothing but a waste of resources, their infantry is trash, their support guns are trash, they are doing nothing but drag the USF and SU players down.
Unless you're at the very top or very bottom of the ladder the matchmaker will compensate.
You and every other player has a hidden ELO rating which represents how likely the matchmaker thinks you are to win any given match. Your ELO rating goes up when you win and down when you lose, and you've got a separate ELO score for each faction and each mode.
The matchmaker only sees wins and losses, so it doesn't know why you're winning or losing. If you give an average player an overpowered faction they'll win more, so their ELO rating will go up. This makes the matchmaker match them with progressively more skilled players until they start losing again, balancing things out.
This works both ways. If UKF is bad then the matchmaker will match UKF players with less skilled opponents and teammates to keep things fair.
If you're losing more than you win then the actual problem is your ELO rating is too high and the game is giving you opponents that are too tough for you.
16 Jun 2018, 22:47 PM
#5
Posts: 1096
tHiS tEaM nEEds mOAr SeXtOn- Every random UKF teammate.
17 Jun 2018, 05:42 AM
#6
Posts: 1044 | Subs: 1
tHiS tEaM nEEds mOAr SeXtOn- Every random UKF teammate.
Are you trying to say the sexton isnt the sexiest arty in the game
bg /l
17 Jun 2018, 15:53 PM
#7
Posts: 1096
Are you trying to say the sexton isnt the sexiest arty in the game
Priest is my favourite. Especially paired with M20 mines.
18 Jun 2018, 15:22 PM
#8
Posts: 3145 | Subs: 2
Priest is my favourite. Especially paired with M20 mines.
I take your Priest and raise you:
18 Jun 2018, 16:18 PM
#9
Posts: 2458 | Subs: 1
Doesn´t understand how matchmaking works. Complains about balance.
FailFish
FailFish
18 Jun 2018, 21:15 PM
#10
Posts: 69
Why don't you help your UKF teammate? You played as a team.
And what's your rank?
And what's your rank?
21 Jun 2018, 09:39 AM
#11
Posts: 20
OKW : SOV = 6:10
OKW : UKF = 7:1
OKW : USF = 3:2
OST : SOV = 15:11
OST : UKF = 2:0
OST : USF = 10:8
This tournament kinda proves my theory right, they are dog shit and whoever thinks this abomination of a faction is doing well is mentaly retarded and blinded by pure fanboysm. And this is 1vs1, the faction does even worse in team games, it brings nothing to the table beside paper thin emplacements and sponge tanks that are only good to give the enemies xp.
This faction brings nothing to the table beside veterancy to the enemy.
OKW : UKF = 7:1
OKW : USF = 3:2
OST : SOV = 15:11
OST : UKF = 2:0
OST : USF = 10:8
This tournament kinda proves my theory right, they are dog shit and whoever thinks this abomination of a faction is doing well is mentaly retarded and blinded by pure fanboysm. And this is 1vs1, the faction does even worse in team games, it brings nothing to the table beside paper thin emplacements and sponge tanks that are only good to give the enemies xp.
This faction brings nothing to the table beside veterancy to the enemy.
21 Jun 2018, 11:24 AM
#12
Posts: 3260
It's good evidence that UKF is in a bad state, yes.
However, as I explained previously, the matchmaker doesn't know that. If you're matched with a UKF player you'll get one of similar ELO rating, not similar skill level.
However, as I explained previously, the matchmaker doesn't know that. If you're matched with a UKF player you'll get one of similar ELO rating, not similar skill level.
21 Jun 2018, 15:37 PM
#13
Posts: 20
It's good evidence that UKF is in a bad state, yes.
However, as I explained previously, the matchmaker doesn't know that. If you're matched with a UKF player you'll get one of similar ELO rating, not similar skill level.
The matchmaker doesnt have anything to do with UKF being so bad, they got hammered with nerfs to the point of where a mediocre Axis player can basically held his own agaisnt a decent UKF player, that's how terrible this faction is at the moment, similarly to League of Legends, you put a champion into the ground to the point of where everyone at every level does bad with it, it's not hard to understand. They don't have anything at the moment early to mid game and their peak, which is late game is basically squashed by the Axis and is pretty much an uphill battle at that point.
21 Jun 2018, 16:33 PM
#14
Posts: 3260
Your complaint is that you believe you're being put at a disadvantage when assigned a UKF teammate in a teamgame, no?
That's because you have the common misconception that the matchmaker matches you based on skill. It doesn't: it matches you with and against players of similar ELO rating. ELO is based purely on wins and losses.
That means the UKF players it gives you are ones that tend to win and lose against the same players you do. If UKF is bad (and tbh it is atm) then UKF players of equal skill to you will have a lower ELO than you, and you'll therefore be matched with UKF players of higher skill.
This only stops working when there are no higher skilled UKF players left to give, which happens at the top of the ladder.
That's because you have the common misconception that the matchmaker matches you based on skill. It doesn't: it matches you with and against players of similar ELO rating. ELO is based purely on wins and losses.
That means the UKF players it gives you are ones that tend to win and lose against the same players you do. If UKF is bad (and tbh it is atm) then UKF players of equal skill to you will have a lower ELO than you, and you'll therefore be matched with UKF players of higher skill.
This only stops working when there are no higher skilled UKF players left to give, which happens at the top of the ladder.
21 Jun 2018, 16:53 PM
#15
Posts: 20
Your complaint is that you believe you're being put at a disadvantage when assigned a UKF teammate in a teamgame, no?
That's because you have the common misconception that the matchmaker matches you based on skill. It doesn't: it matches you with and against players of similar ELO rating. ELO is based purely on wins and losses.
That means the UKF players it gives you are ones that tend to win and lose against the same players you do. If UKF is bad (and tbh it is atm) then UKF players of equal skill to you will have a lower ELO than you, and you'll therefore be matched with UKF players of higher skill.
This only stops working when there are no higher skilled UKF players left to give, which happens at the top of the ladder.
Are you that stupid and don't understand that no matter how good you are, if the faction is gimped you are putting your allies at a disavantage even agaisnt a mediocre player, the Axis are rolling over them and every single emplacement of UKF get's obliterated immediatly, that's a huge part of UKF arsenal that get's countered too easy and their innability of having a snare to stop a tank to shit all over them is putting this faction right in the trash, they are not viable even on good players, what the fuck is that hard to understand.
And also the matchmaking is trash, the game doesn't have the playerbase and you are matched with all kind of players from top to bottom.
21 Jun 2018, 16:57 PM
#16
Posts: 3260
If there are players in the matchmaking pool with UKF ELO equal to yours the matchmaker can give you a teammate that's equally likely to win.
A player of equal ELO is by definition a player the matchmaker thinks is equally likely to win based on their previous record.
A player of equal ELO is by definition a player the matchmaker thinks is equally likely to win based on their previous record.
21 Jun 2018, 16:59 PM
#17
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
Your complaint is that you believe you're being put at a disadvantage when assigned a UKF teammate in a teamgame, no?
That's because you have the common misconception that the matchmaker matches you based on skill. It doesn't: it matches you with and against players of similar ELO rating. ELO is based purely on wins and losses.
That means the UKF players it gives you are ones that tend to win and lose against the same players you do. If UKF is bad (and tbh it is atm) then UKF players of equal skill to you will have a lower ELO than you, and you'll therefore be matched with UKF players of higher skill.
This only stops working when there are no higher skilled UKF players left to give, which happens at the top of the ladder.
And how are you going to address the fact that top players who mained brits abandoned the faction saying how useless it is and how they are unable to compete?
Do they need to git gud?
Did they suddenly forgot how to play the faction, despite having hundreds/thousands of games with them on top 10 level?
Brits were strong AF.
That is the past.
It is no longer true.
Current brits are pushovers, if you're winning against equally skilled player as brits at the moment, its because you got one of the "spawn on X side to win" maps.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Jun 2018, 17:03 PM
#18
Posts: 3260
And how are you going to address the fact that top players who mained brits abandoned the faction saying how useless it is and how they are unable to compete?
I already answered this.
"Unless you're at the very top or very bottom of the ladder the matchmaker will compensate."
or from the post you directly quoted
"This only stops working when there are no higher skilled UKF players left to give, which happens at the top of the ladder."
Top players are by definition at the top of the ladder where the matchmaker can't compensate for UKF's poor state.
Current brits are pushovers, if you're winning against equally skilled player as brits at the moment, its because you got one of the "spawn on X side to win" maps.
The matchmaker doesn't give you opponents of similar skill. It gives you opponents of similar ELO.
21 Jun 2018, 17:09 PM
#19
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
Top players are by definition at the top of the ladder where the matchmaker can't compensate for UKF's poor state.
And I'll help you with the follow up conclusion to that:
Which means UKF IS in unquestionably poor state.
Its completely and utterly irrelevant how it performs in unequal matches.
It does not stand up in competitive environment due to all endless nerfs it received patch to patch without addressing a singular weakness of the faction and that is all that matters here.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Jun 2018, 17:17 PM
#20
Posts: 3260
And I'll help you with the follow up conclusion to that:
Which means UKF IS in unquestionably poor state.
Its completely and utterly irrelevant how it performs in unequal matches.
It does not stand up in competitive environment due to all endless nerfs it received patch to patch without addressing a singular weakness of the faction and that is all that matters here.
That's not what this thread is about. There's probably a grand total of one player on this forum who thinks UKF is currently good, and fortunately they've yet to show up to this party.
This thread is OP complaining that they're put at a disadvantage if they're given a UKF teammate in a teamgame. This isn't true unless they're at the top of the ladder because of how the matchmaking works.
If a player handicaps themselves by playing UKF they'll lose more. Therefore their ELO will be lower than an equivalently skilled USF or SOV player.
Therefore if you're playing SOV or USF the matchmaker won't try to match you with an equally skilled UKF player. It'll try to match you with a player of similar ELO, which will be a higher skilled UKF player.
EDIT: Rephrased the final paragraph.
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