With the recent patch changes to the T-34-76mm tanks, are their call in brothers now really cost ineffective?
T-34-85: 720 MP 260 Fuel for 2 Main gun damage 160 Penetration 110 Reload 8.7s
T-34-76: 560 MP 170 Fuel for 2 Main gun damage 120 Penetration 80 Reload 5s
It's mainly the reload time differences that drops the dps of the 85mm to not being any better than the 76mm unless vs. heavier armour. I'm not sure if the MP and fuel cost differences are worth it though.
T-34-85mm Call In Tanks
24 Aug 2013, 18:22 PM
#1
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24 Aug 2013, 18:46 PM
#2
Posts: 954
T-34/85 is POS since alpha test....
a doctrinal, expensive than a PZIV ( and even more expensive because a double-call-in), loss to a PZIV in a head on battle....
hell, I'd like to see a single call-in but requires T3 or T4 structure,
*armor buffed from 120 to 160 same as PZIV,
*reload reduced to 6 sec instead of 9 sec....on pare to PZIV,
*rise penetration from 110(same as PZIV) to 130~140 pen......
A T-34/85 never deserve to be like this.....and you pay much more than almost anything in the game, but stands no chance against a cheaper PZIV or Stug?
buff now.......no more talking
a doctrinal, expensive than a PZIV ( and even more expensive because a double-call-in), loss to a PZIV in a head on battle....
hell, I'd like to see a single call-in but requires T3 or T4 structure,
*armor buffed from 120 to 160 same as PZIV,
*reload reduced to 6 sec instead of 9 sec....on pare to PZIV,
*rise penetration from 110(same as PZIV) to 130~140 pen......
A T-34/85 never deserve to be like this.....and you pay much more than almost anything in the game, but stands no chance against a cheaper PZIV or Stug?
buff now.......no more talking
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
24 Aug 2013, 18:51 PM
#3
Posts: 627
The T34/85 should be the tank that's intermediate between a PzIV and a Panther. As in, it'll win vs a PzIV head on, but get absolutely shit on by a Panther.
The call in with two of them is both inefficient and unrealistic. There's been a single 1v1 game since I started playing where I've been in a position to safely achieve that level of resource float.
Reduce the price by about 55% and make it one tank. Once that's done we can start looking at how to actually balance it in relation to its combat effectiveness.
The call in with two of them is both inefficient and unrealistic. There's been a single 1v1 game since I started playing where I've been in a position to safely achieve that level of resource float.
Reduce the price by about 55% and make it one tank. Once that's done we can start looking at how to actually balance it in relation to its combat effectiveness.
24 Aug 2013, 18:55 PM
#4
Posts: 53
I agree that T34-85 call in is useless for the price but the interesting fact is that Aimstrong won previous COH2 tourney with this unit. He went for one SU85 and after that this call in and win every soviet game (if I am not wrong).
24 Aug 2013, 19:16 PM
#5
Posts: 85
T-34/85 is almost as useless an IS-2. It has worse stats than a Panzer IV yet costs more, and the double call in makes it come out too late. It's almost as if they really want the Ostheer to win.
24 Aug 2013, 19:25 PM
#6
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pqumsieh said in his recent cast that double T-34/85 is here to stay because "they should be able to flank". pls all blame pqumsieh.
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24 Aug 2013, 19:31 PM
#7
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Remember that it also has 800 HP, as opposed to the T-34/76's and Panzer 4's 640 HP. People often forget about that and only look at the gun stats.
It isn't bad but the new T-34/76 really is more attractive. One other thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't require any tech and can be combined with Su-85s if you need a better rounded tank to complement or ram (vs. Elefant). But then again 4 CPs is normally a bit after Soviets could get T3 anyways.
It is in a really tough spot to balance well imo. Buffing and changing it may be appropiate but if it is overbuffed it may well cause some disastrous effects.
I hope Relic find a good spot for it when they rebalance heavy and late game tanks. Another tank that may need a little love is the Pz4 command tank but I don't want to derail the thread, just hoping for the next patch
It isn't bad but the new T-34/76 really is more attractive. One other thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't require any tech and can be combined with Su-85s if you need a better rounded tank to complement or ram (vs. Elefant). But then again 4 CPs is normally a bit after Soviets could get T3 anyways.
It is in a really tough spot to balance well imo. Buffing and changing it may be appropiate but if it is overbuffed it may well cause some disastrous effects.
I hope Relic find a good spot for it when they rebalance heavy and late game tanks. Another tank that may need a little love is the Pz4 command tank but I don't want to derail the thread, just hoping for the next patch
24 Aug 2013, 19:56 PM
#8
Posts: 627
pqumsieh said in his recent cast that double T-34/85 is here to stay because "they should be able to flank". pls all blame pqumsieh.
That doesn't even make sense.
24 Aug 2013, 19:58 PM
#9
Posts: 896
Or they can reduce their cost instead of buffing them. I think that would increase their usefulness as well, because then one will be able to afford them without having to give map control to get them.
24 Aug 2013, 20:01 PM
#10
Posts: 954
Remember that it also has 800 HP, as opposed to the T-34/76's and Panzer 4's 640 HP. People often forget about that and only look at the gun stats.
It isn't bad but the new T-34/76 really is more attractive. One other thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't require any tech and can be combined with Su-85s if you need a better rounded tank to complement or ram (vs. Elefant). But then again 4 CPs is normally a bit after Soviets could get T3 anyways.
It is in a really tough spot to balance well imo. Buffing and changing it may be appropiate but if it is overbuffed it may well cause some disastrous effects.
I hope Relic find a good spot for it when they rebalance heavy and late game tanks. Another tank that may need a little love is the Pz4 command tank but I don't want to derail the thread, just hoping for the next patch
it has 120 armor value same as the T-34/76, and panzer faust still do 100% guaranteed engine damage to these tank which needs flanking, encouraging soviet player to flank is a joke made from relic, for there's no side armor implemented and the AT nade nerf vs. PZIV and another heavies in game while faust maintain it's capability to damage T-34 series
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
24 Aug 2013, 21:49 PM
#11
Posts: 480
Eh, T-34/85s can be called in with an SU-85/T4 tech, the double call-in is still being used by extremely good players (Symbiosis vs. Hans for a more recent example) as a sort of finisher/way of rounding out your army.
110 penetration vs. 80 gives you a 70ish% chance of penetrating a P-IV headon, while a T-34/76 has 50%.
110 penetration vs. 80 gives you a 70ish% chance of penetrating a P-IV headon, while a T-34/76 has 50%.
24 Aug 2013, 22:00 PM
#12
Posts: 644
That doesn't even make sense.
Well, they're two, right? So one can attack directly and one can flank!
5 OP OH tanks in front of your base
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blow one up, slap it around
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24 Aug 2013, 22:18 PM
#13
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Well, they're two, right? So one can attack directly and one can flank!
Brilliant!
One thing to keep in mind is that with 85s, you don't have to tech to T3, so you save resources + time spent building the thing. Plus it's obviously nice to be able to call the in instantly (even though you do need more fuel).
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24 Aug 2013, 23:30 PM
#14
Posts: 85
Brilliant!
One thing to keep in mind is that with 85s, you don't have to tech to T3, so you save resources + time spent building the thing. Plus it's obviously nice to be able to call the in instantly (even though you do need more fuel).
That doesn't justify them being not cost effective compared to T-34 and Pz IV
24 Aug 2013, 23:38 PM
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tbh T34/85 is way better than 76, before this patch i used to kill P4's in 3 shots, correct me if im wrong but SU-85 has the same gun like T34/85
25 Aug 2013, 00:01 AM
#16
Posts: 954
tbh T34/85 is way better than 76, before this patch i used to kill P4's in 3 shots, correct me if im wrong but SU-85 has the same gun like T34/85
PZIV has 640 HP pool, the T-34/85 alpha is 160(same as PZIV) and a lot reload time 9sec reload vs. 5.6(something) reload
so, it needs at least 4 shoot to finish PZIV off
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
25 Aug 2013, 00:22 AM
#17
Posts: 954
Eh, T-34/85s can be called in with an SU-85/T4 tech, the double call-in is still being used by extremely good players (Symbiosis vs. Hans for a more recent example) as a sort of finisher/way of rounding out your army.
110 penetration vs. 80 gives you a 70ish% chance of penetrating a P-IV headon, while a T-34/76 has 50%.
ya, loss to a single PZIV in a head on fight that's what the story ends.....
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
31 Aug 2013, 14:45 PM
#18
Posts: 525
would be nice if it were non-doctrinal and spammable like Panthers...or if you could call just one with half the price
31 Aug 2013, 19:01 PM
#19
Posts: 409
would be nice if it were non-doctrinal and spammable like Panthers...or if you could call just one with half the price
What would be the point of having T-34/76 and T-34/85 come out of the same building?
Frankly, the way I see it, the call-in is supposed to be a way for T4 Soviets to get turreted tanks without the need of spending 90 fuel to build T3 building. If it were cheaper and/or came one at a time, nobody would ever build T3 and everyone would just go T4 and call-in T34/85 when needed.
Plus, we don't want to make Guards Motor commander any more OP than he already is.
31 Aug 2013, 19:18 PM
#20
Posts: 525
they are cost efective. to me.
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