Jackson nerf

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2018, 04:50 AMGI John 412

I find the idea of introducing a “Light AT” vehicle to US interesting, but ultimately destructively difficult to balance. US have lots of AT spread throughout all levels of tech, bazookas hard counter light vehicles while soft countering larger ones, while Jackson hard counters heavies but isn’t as efficient for its cost against light vehicles. If anything the problem with the Jackson TD results from uneven effectiveness of the tiers as a whole. Buffing the Stuart might make Captain play more rewarding and allow LT-Capt as a viable teching route instead of LT to Maj or Capt to Maj. Tier skipping allows fast tech, but takes away tools from the player. That’s a good risk/reward scenario, but if LT or Capt is always better than the other, and neither one is worth a back-tech after getting Maj, then you end up with less diversity. What I mean is that you end up with Maj tech being imbalanced because it is trying to fill the role of whatever you skipped to get there. Bazookas, .50 cal M2HBs, M1 ATGs and M36 Jacksons need to be balanced together as AT options scaling to different threats, but the tiers that they all come from must also be balanced to each other in other aspects as well.

Maybe move the mortar to Capt and Pack Howi to LT? Maybe buff Stuart against infantry? Maybe none of those things, but Jackson problems are a result of over reliance on it as “only” or “best” US AT option.

#makebazookaszookagain

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2018, 06:04 AMFiresparks

you do know that the m10 have had 560 hp and 50 range since USF release? this mean the m10 were semi-brawlers to begin with.

you're complaining about the m10 being too weak at the same time urging for the jackson to become more like the m10.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2018, 06:04 AMFiresparks

you do know that the m10 have had 560 hp and 50 range since USF release? this mean the m10 were semi-brawlers to begin with.

you're complaining about the m10 being too weak at the same time urging for the jackson to become more like the m10.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2018, 10:39 AMKatitof

Originally, Jacksons were fragile sniper and Wolverines spammable brawlers.
I believe personally that USF TDs had better Dynamics in CoH1, where they all were brawlers instead of long range snipers and Dynamics between M10 and Hellcat were much better then M10 and M36.

Existence of M36 and tech requierment of M10 ensure that M10 will never be taken into account.

Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2018, 11:57 AMswordfisch

Enough with this sissy boy "skirmisher tank" talk, the Jackson is an all American brawler baby with 90mm of kraut pushing power.

The Jackson is finally in a good position yet Relic are nerfing it. If you want to mess around with this sissy "skirmisher" concept we have the m10 over here that you can turn into a copy of the Puma since you seem so obsessed with. Sure give it smoke and call it a day.

If anything the Jackson needs a slight MP or fuel increase, possibly to slightly cheaper than a panther. It's role now is vital in giving the USF a vehicle that doesn't get utterly destroyed by medium armour spam or big cat heavies (JT or Ele).

Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 05:31 AMFiresparks

do you seriously think the jackson can out brawl a king tiger? do you want to have it both ways where jackson have both range and high hp?

this is simple greed. This isn't going to work.

Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 05:31 AMFiresparks

it didn't really work in coh1. The American were routinely getting their ass kick in late.

although the situation hasn't improved much since then.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2018, 00:08 AMSturmTigerVorgo

Jackson's power is supposed to be speed and being able to get behind WM tanks.
ATM they can do that(cirle a stug or a tiger) and ALSO shoot from a safe distance, that's what we call OP.

ATM it has everything..super speed, rotating turret, range, crush infantry potential, penetration and decent damage. Only the Panther has those kind of perks but compare the cost of the two.

I think a decrease in range is fair, not sure though that 55 is enough. We shall see.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2018, 17:27 PMKatitof

Fun fact: Slugger is its historical nickname

Jump back to quoted post25 Apr 2018, 23:52 PMswordfisch

How is asking for a TD that can deal deal with axis armour and not get blown up by shreks instantly like has been the case before the health buff "greedy"?

May I remind you the OKW Panther and Comet already exist, Jackson is in this tier but solely a tank destroyer. It just does the job better, but the trade off is zero AI. (unlike panther with its better mobility, armour and ton of mg's). Again any adjustment should have been a small price increase.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2018, 00:08 AMSturmTigerVorgo

Jackson's power is supposed to be speed and being able to get behind WM tanks.
ATM they can do that(cirle a stug or a tiger) and ALSO shoot from a safe distance, that's what we call OP.

ATM it has everything..super speed, rotating turret, range, crush infantry potential, penetration and decent damage. Only the Panther has those kind of perks but compare the cost of the two.

I think a decrease in range is fair, not sure though that 55 is enough. We shall see.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2018, 05:55 AMEsxile

I'm 100% with that, if you make Jackson immune to damage engine.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2018, 00:08 AMSturmTigerVorgo

Jackson's power is supposed to be speed and being able to get behind WM tanks.
ATM they can do that(cirle a stug or a tiger) and ALSO shoot from a safe distance, that's what we call OP.

ATM it has everything..super speed, rotating turret, range, crush infantry potential, penetration and decent damage. Only the Panther has those kind of perks but compare the cost of the two.

I think a decrease in range is fair, not sure though that 55 is enough. We shall see.

Jump back to quoted post22 Apr 2018, 16:19 PMSkysTheLimit

This is everything IMO. Not to mention the fact that US is the only one who might not even have AT guns available in the late game, should you choose Lieutenant.

Sovs sorta have to make that choice, but its very feasible to get both of their early tiers since they only total in 30 fuel together.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2018, 07:45 AMKurfürst

Its quite absurd that USF has something that it is far, far better at killing tank, medium or heavy than the Panther (which is shit) at a cheaper price and better survivability to boot.