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Future balance tweaks for usf

30 Apr 2018, 06:34 AM
#21
avatar of Esxile

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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Apr 2018, 02:52 AMMittens
Honestly the Sherman needs a small buff as it stands now that the P4 has had such a drastic increase in performance.

I don't however find USF indirect fire lacking at close range *due to the mortar barrage being rly good* but I would say the long range pak howi is pretty bad due to its cool-down, scatter, 3 man crew, and the fact that most of its medium to close range is worthless.


Another thing that rly bugs me about usf is the core Riflemen squad's 5th man seeming to drop off a drop of a hat meaning you lose DPS while closing in on long range units like volks.

It makes it extremely stressful and hard to get around the range limitations of USF early on or until you get bars but its such a long stretch that you endlessly fight and up hill battle due to the manpower drain.


Its not the Pz4 that is too good, it is the position you are when it hits the field that makes the difference.
To explain myself, before the last patch the Pz4 was the "game changing unit for Ostheer", and I'm only looking at a balance match for this statement. Today the Pz4 isn't anymore this milestone unit it was before because Oshteer has such a far better early game vs USF that's the moment the Pz4 is out the USF player is already struggling vs Ostheer heavy infantry play. This mean Oshteer have better access to fuel and retain more map presence early game increasing their fuel income = faster Pz4

As USF to counter heavy infantry play you need to invest in weapon rack, ambulance and probably a light vehicle which put even further the moment you can have a sherman when the Ostheer play can skip T2 because those USF light vehicles have been so much nerfed that they're not a significant threat... Just compare the effectiveness of the Flak-trak vs M15 if you have any doubt about it. It's silly because as USF you need those vehicles to reduce the manpower bleed or to counter the sniper but at the same time they do not pose a serious threat and even if, a pak is usually enough to reduce even more their capacity to slow down the Oshteer player.

So the Pz4 comes simply earlier, check the last time you had a sherman before a Pz4 (here again in a balanced matchup), in my case it was probably last patch. So you (and I before start thinking about it a while ago) think the problem is the Pz4 when it is not.

USF problem is a serious lack of powerness early game due to the modder will to make all factions equal at this stage, which is great on the paper, but at the same time USF is still not having all the tools to compete with those new rules.
USF is still dependant on having early game advantage and still need to pay extra for that. But today you must pay those extra to be at your opponent level which is stupid which lead you to have your medium far later than your opponent. hell you may get your sherman after OKW pz4 hits the field...

USF need a serious overall design revamp. Will it happen, I don't know.


30 Apr 2018, 20:27 PM
#22
avatar of ZombiFrancis

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A +80 health bump at vet 2 or 3 would've worked for the standard stock sherman.

A similar boost for other mediums would not have been too crazy. Re-addressing armored skirts too.
13 May 2018, 14:01 PM
#23
avatar of CobaltX105

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Here's a crazy idea: The Pack Howitzer should replace the M1 81mm Mortar entirely, be available in the Barracks after unlocking either the LT or CPT.

Of course, we'd have to give back riflemen smoke in order to make up for the lack or early mortar smoke.

And then something would need to take the pack howie's place in the Company Command Post too. Probably a reworked version of the Scott. Take away it's driect fire so it's AI doesn't overlap with the Stuart, but buff it's barrage range so it can be legitimate upgrade to the Pack.

And then in the Battalion Command post, have the Sherman Bulldozer replace the Scott, but rework it's Vet 1 to be a barrage ability like the SU-76, but with cost and more effective (cause 105 shells and all)

Then just have the Pershing call in replace the Bulldozer call in from the Armor Company.
13 May 2018, 15:12 PM
#24
avatar of Katitof

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Take away it's driect fire so it's AI doesn't overlap with the Stuart, but buff it's barrage range so it can be legitimate upgrade to the Pack.

It lost its direct fire ages ago.
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