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Which makes it more effective against UKF squads than it is against Soviet ones.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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So.... if its balanced against high number squads... would not that directly translate to being op vs low number squads....?
And one balanced against low number squads will underperform a bit vs high number squads...
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Which is why DPS isn't meaningful. What matters for snipers is how quickly they snipe models and the value of the models they're sniping.
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Dude, of course by DPS I meant "how quickly they snipe models" (rate of fire). OBVIOUSLY.
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The post in question:
"3) Why more durable Conscripts must have lower DPS than less durable Grens, but Soviet Sniper with SAME durability (after proposed change) should STILL HAVE LOWER DPS that its Wehrmacht counterpart?"
The damage output of an infantry squad is affected by cover, range, accuracy, rate of fire, weapon damage and enemy received accuracy.
The damage output of a sniper is affected by how fast it can shoot.
Simplifying them both down to a single DPS value each doesn't make for meaningful comparisons.
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I still don't understand why should Conscripts have lower DPS and MORE durability than their Wehrmacht counterpart and Sniper have lower DPS and SAME durablilty as its Wehrmacht counterpart.
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Because the Soviet sniper is generally shooting less numerous, more expensive models.
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Because the Soviet sniper is generally shooting less numerous, more expensive models than its Ostheer counterpart.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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This argument already wasn't significant with introduction of
- USF (4-man team weapon crews, some 4-man squads, somewhat expensive 5-man mainline inf)
- OKW (5-man cheap mainline infantry, possible 6-man long-range doctrinal PFussies)
AND completely died with addition of UKF (4-man team weapon crews, 4-man mainline infantry almost as expensive as Grenadiers).
But that's not even point.
The question is - why Soviet Sniper should have same durability, if it fights against squads with much higher long range DPS?
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"High long range DPS" LUL
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Even at point blank range, 2 grenadiers cannot kill a retreating soviet sniper. So saying that 1 grenadier at long range poses a threat is just ludicrous
What's wrong with that statement?
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Even at point blank range, 2 grenadiers cannot kill a retreating soviet sniper. So saying that 1 grenadier at long range poses a threat is just ludicrous
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In comparison to Cons long range DPS it is higher. That was my statement. LUL
I don't have exact stats to check it, but I believe it is higher at any range (assuming that both squads have all models).
Being bad at the game isn't something balance patches can fix.
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You are literally chasing your own tail at this point.... I don't know if you don't want to see ElSlayers point or are incapable of seeing it.
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Even at point blank range, 2 grenadiers cannot kill a retreating soviet sniper. So saying that 1 grenadier at long range poses a threat is just ludicrous
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Grenadier, especially with LMG, can take down Soviet sniper quite quickly if they are both in weapon range. Experiences from a Soviet sniper user.
Being bad at the game isn't something balance patches can fix.
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Grenadier, especially with LMG, can take down Soviet sniper quite quickly IF THE SOVIET PLAYER IS ASLEEP AND THEREFORE CANNOT PUSH THE T KEY ON HIS KEYBOARD IN TIME, AND ALSO ASSUMING THAT HE DOESN'T SOFT RUN BACKWARDS AFTER EVERY SHOT, WHICH HE CAN SAFELY MAKE FROM OUTSIDE THE GRENADIER'S RANGE... if they are both in weapon range. Experiences from a Soviet sniper user.
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You wanna know why grenadiers have higher dps then their con brethern?
4 for 6 man
2 more rifle's AND 2 more bodies to drop. Math behind it translates into roughly 2.5 more dps required to be Equal.
As for dps on long range, it's a joke since grens are moving, mostly at 3 men or less and firing vs a cloaking target.
The only way to kill a sniper is with another sniper, and the 1 man change will not change that.
And if you want to go back to sov sniper utterly destroying ostheer, please make it fire as fast as ost sniper.
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A OST player who try to kill Soviet sniper with his sniper, in most case, doesn't know how to play this game correctly.
You just want to drag us to the old COH1 sniper warfare by changing Soviet sniper to 1 man.
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