panther should be slower (and re-evaluating medium speed)

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 17:46 PMTheGentlemenTroll

The biggest issue is that Ost has a cheaper, more cost effective tank hunter found literally a phase below it. Which has one of the highest DPS's in the game and is very cheap.

Panther and Stug has a similar issue with the su76 and Su85 if you multiplied the problem by ten fold. It makes the Panther not worth it in most cases.

Nondoc Heavies are bad IMO. Just look at the mess the KT causes to balance.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 18:40 PMVipper

Talking about DPS for AT gun without taking into consideration target size and armor value is totally misleading.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 16:37 PMFiresparks

except that was their role in real life. Medium tanks were not battering rams. Their speed were to facilitate penetration into the enemy's rear line. How is it bad to encourage map movement and avoid static slug match?

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 13:53 PMShadowLinkX37

I still don't understand the point of the thread. Mediums shouldn't be strolling the map faster than anything else unsupported and carefree inflicting bleed as they wish. Panthers won't dive you if you're supporting your armor with AT and snares.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 23:57 PMRocket

Are you not listening? No one uses allied mediums other than maybe one because they cant do this, 34-85 ez8 are not even that great at Ai def decent but not like they are a centuar. No manuverability makes mediums useless!!! They cant stroll any fuckin map currently. But by design they will never be probable woth axis snares. Its bullshit soons volks got snares falls fusilers should be gone. Also take into account originally allies were designed around the mediums speed and manueverability also historicly accurate. I emplore you to play brits sometime i doubt you would be able to handle with no snares and purely out foxing your opponet. Try fighting a luchs with a the kangaroo wagon when you can be snared at anytime but your oppenent knows you cant snare.

No one is saying mediums should stroll the fuckin map but at the present time they cant even cross enemy lines with out being snared = worthless. A flanking tank that cant flank. At least as axis with medium if i invest into airborn or rangers or shocks or partysans or any call in allied infantry you know i cant snare you. Not thae case for axis thoe its in the bag too = no downside to investing into Ai infantry that has some form of at= bigger headache and micro tax for allied lights/
Mediums

I mean try sometime chasing a reversing tiger or kt with allied mediums its pretty hilarious how long if at all they can get to the back of a tiger keep in mind we dont have blitz or forgive me smoke for making a bad decision, its just your snared and screwed

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2018, 00:20 AMRocket

Please someone justify why almost every single axis unit has snares? Why dont grens even have to be vet1 before they can use snare like rifles? Maibline allied infantry all even have requirements or tech to do so, ie resource planning and thinking

• Only 4 units have snares, right? Grens, VG, PF and Falls. That's not every unit
  
• Because RM having 5 men, superior dps and scalability and having a vet 0 snare would be a bit much. I think many OST players would love to have snare at vet 1 for a five man squad instead of their crappy medkits .
  
• Allies don't have to deal with clown cars
  
  

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2018, 01:26 AMinsaneHoshi

• Only 4 units have snares, right? Grens, VG, PF and Falls. That's not every unit
  
• Because RM having 5 men, superior dps and scalability and having a vet 0 snare would be a bit much. I think many OST players would love to have snare at vet 1 for a five man squad instead of their crappy medkits .
  
• Allies don't have to deal with clown cars
  
  

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Ostuppen do , dont storms or jaeger too or one of them, ok sorry 90 percent of axis infantry have them how many allied do?

Clown cars lol? Man sucks as brits when i have to deal with a fast flame ht that can burn mgs before i can even ungarrison on first contact.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 19:27 PMShadowLinkX37

Discouraging map movement is like the job of Ostheer

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 23:57 PMRocket

But by design they will never be probable woth axis snares. Its bullshit soons volks got snares falls fusilers should be gone. Also take into account originally allies were designed around the mediums speed and manueverability also historicly accurate. I emplore you to play brits sometime i doubt you would be able to handle with no snares and purely out foxing your opponet. Try fighting a luchs with a the kangaroo wagon when you can be snared at anytime but your oppenent knows you cant snare.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2018, 06:13 AMRocket

Hahah no in just tired of trying to field ez8s and the main gun time after time not bleeding them because it dosent same as comet then again i ask myself why did i even choose this its worthless he sherman jacksons, centuar ff, or i can build a slow ass ez8 to come in take two hits hen bounce off a panther hahahha what a joke, or scare infantry when it tale the luck of the irish for the main gun to gib a model

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2018, 16:37 PMFiresparks

the question of what should be tha panther's role is not tough. Panther should be the linchpin holding the wehr together in the late game.

The wehr's biggest weakness is their lack of durability and mobility. Panther having high armor, high hp, and good mobility (6.4 2.3 is still good) essentially plug up the wehr's institutional weakness.

The panther give the wehr something that can carry an offense and take damage. In fact this is really what most people used the panther now. It's already used as a heavy by the axis.

The high moving accuracy is a USF trait. Historically their tanks was the only one equipped with a stabilizer, although lend lease tank also kept it.

Wehr, okw, soviet, and the UKF all have to deal with a .50 accuracy modifier. the Firefly conversion process removed the stabilizer, although it still have a .55 accuracy modifier that's marginally better.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2018, 06:50 AMFiresparks

the ez8 is complicated. It basically got hit with the nerf bat.

6.1 top speed and 2.1 acceleration isn't super great.

Shermans are not that fast to begin with, and the e8 is slower.

nerfing the snare alone is not going to fix the e8. the unit needs buff.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2018, 06:13 AMRocket

Hahah no in just tired of trying to field ez8s and the main gun time after time not bleeding them because it dosent same as comet then again i ask myself why did i even choose this its worthless he sherman jacksons, centuar ff, or i can build a slow ass ez8 to come in take two hits hen bounce off a panther hahahha what a joke, or scare infantry when it tale the luck of the irish for the main gun to gib a model

4. Historical accuracy has almost ZERO influence on balance ingame. An HE sherman round can FRONTALLY penetrate a panther with enough luck. Something that would NEVER have occured.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2018, 15:34 PMZombiFrancis

I think the HE Sherman just has decent deflection damage on the HE rounds. It may not ever actually penetrate, but it doesn't have to due to deflection.

Jump back to quoted post14 Apr 2018, 16:26 PMVipper

Sherman HE has no deflection damage.