Riflemen Sandbags

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2018, 10:01 AMmondeogaming1

i mean what do oyu think will they put riflemen having sandbags what do oyu think?

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2018, 10:00 AMmondeogaming1

if you read what i wrote but the whole thing i say when RES are not around riflemen cant do shgit if there is no cover and cant push any further

Jump back to quoted post8 Mar 2018, 17:32 PMVipper

All tank traps should have build time increased.

USF tank traps should be me moved to assault engineers, then sandbags could be moved to R.E.

UKF trench and sandbags should be moved to Ro.E.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 00:52 AMCaptain QQ

That puts sandbags behind tech. That is a terrible idea.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 09:08 AMVipper

Only for UKF.

And it is not a terrible idea. Tommies can currently create cover and self-heal in any position they like requiring the enemy to send at least twice the force to dislodge them and even they can cause as many casualties as they can and then simply retreat.

Heavy cover offer many advantages and should not be available for almost every fight.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 11:18 AMCaptain QQ

Tommies have to pay Muni to heal in the field, which is something both German factions can do. You are saying that UKF should be the only faction denied Vet 0 Sandbags?

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 11:26 AMVipper

Are seriously going to compare UKF heal on the battlefield with axis one?

Vet has nothing to with it. Tech has and the tech cost is really low. In addition USF do not have sandbags.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 11:34 AMCaptain QQ

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With all that in mind are you still in favor of putting UKF cover behind Tech?

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 11:49 AMVipper

Imo Tommies should not be able to built cover or trenches.

To me tech level is irrelevant, if that creates an issue one can move Ro.E. to T0.

(UKF heal is far superior to both OKW and Ostheer medic kits)

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 12:31 PMCaptain QQ

UKF is indeed superior but as an ability it isn't all that unique, just better. I merely objected to you using it as a "and another thing" pile on to the sandbag discussion.

I really don't think any of this is a viable solution to what I see as a non-issue. I don't even understand where you are coming from on this. I mean you say they have to be dealt with in a pain in the ass way that eats up time and resources. Welcome to every allied faction dealing with spio rushes.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 12:55 PMVipper

Imo (as I have pointed out many times) strong infantry should be delayed and that includes SP and Penals.


(The reason mention healing is that unless you manage to dislodge tommies from their cover you are going to face them again fully healed which makes things even worse.)

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2018, 23:43 PMFiresparks

rifleman used to have smoke and the whole deal with mortar was just balance running in circle.


the USF mortar should have never been added and the smoke kept on the rifleman.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 13:05 PMCaptain QQ

Penals are delayed by tech and when UKF players buy the healing they delay other items that cost munitions. Same reason you dont see a mass spam of rifle grenades in most early games because the Ost player needs the muni for the medical bunker and snares. The UKF player has to manage his early game resources so that he can upgrade his bren carrier.

If you are not likely to trade to your advantage in a fight don't fight it. Cap elsewhere and make them leave their cover. Cap around them and then close in from multiple sides if they are camping. If you are Ost, distract him elsewhere then use a rifle nade because the tommie bags bunch the models up great for a squad wipe. Or better yet do it with a second squad out of line of sight.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 13:33 PMKothre

People are now complaining about British sandbags needing "fixing." Jesus, every time I come back to the forum people are suggesting ridiculous changes to a 5 year old game. The British have already been nerfed to hell; they don't need their damn sandbags nerfed too. Holy god.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 14:21 PMVipper

Thanks for the advices, although they are unnecessary.

I explained my opinion (and back it up with arguments), which is different than yours and that is fine.


As I have pointed out UKF are mess and they need fixing. What they do not need is gimmicks to survive.

That is part of the reason why UKF trenches where brought inline with other factions.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 12:55 PMVipper

But all this is irrelevant to sandbags which in my opinion should not be available to mainline infantry unless those infantries are really weak. (pre patch conscripts, pre St44 VGs)

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 14:58 PMZombiFrancis

Well we are post patch for both of those, and Tommy squads entire design and function revolves around using cover. Not to mention UKFs engineer requires teching.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 15:18 PMZombiFrancis

... While I find a redesign warranted for UKF and beyond, it really should be a holistic redesign not a series of adjustments and rebalancing of units or stats that result in things being "different" or "consistent" or whatever for the sake of it.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2018, 15:18 PMZombiFrancis

There's plenty of cover on maps. Sure.

But building your own cover, green cover especially, is important for a slew of gameplay reasons. Map cover is always the same, player built cover isnt.

Brits have the bren carrier in t0. Putting RES in UKF t0 is already overhauling the factions design. While I find a redesign warranted for UKF and beyond, it really should be a holistic redesign not a series of adjustments and rebalancing of units or stats that result in things being "different" or "consistent" or whatever for the sake of it.