Rear armor of some vehicles needs to be reduced

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2018, 12:13 PMVipper

And 140-130 armor value it enough for that.

If KV-1 need more armor that should come with veterancy, which should fit the role of the vehicle and not be a copy of the T-34/76 one that has different role.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2018, 15:38 PMKatitof

You threw all of them into the same bag.
I've explained to you how each of them was a separate issue that needed addressing.

You think its anti axis crusade, I'm telling you there were balance issues and only single one of them was related to consistency.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2018, 09:25 AMVipper

I have answered this question once but it seems that I have to answer it again:
The vehicles listed have very high rear armor that make flanking with medium tank not rewarding.

A Ostheer PzIV can park behind a Churchill at range 0 and the Churchill will have a better chance to penetrate the PzIV frontally than PzIV to penetrate the rear armor.

This issue was partially fixed in patch for some vehicles but the one in this list where "forgotten".

If you find any German vehicle with rear armor more 150 pls bring it up and I will gladly include it.

Hezter rear/side armor is so low that A T-34/76 has 100% to penetrate even at max range.

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2018, 04:34 AMThe Blue Falcon

only lightly skimmed threw this thread so I must have missed it...

Its the equivalent of saying the tiger should get lower armor so my sherman can pen.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2018, 13:29 PMKatitof

When was last time anyone have seen KV-2 again?
You are debating on nerfing a unit that no one ever wants to use for purpose other then pure lolz and 'you are so bad I can field KV-2 against you'.

Jump back to quoted post1 Mar 2018, 13:57 PMKatitof

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What...
ISG had to be nerfed to allow for pit nerf, otherwise it would be OP by outranging it with Basic fire and ist not like it was not already 2nd best indirect light weapon in game.
HMG43 Crew was OP as it were regular volks instead of usual gimped Crew models for all other weapon Teams.
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Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2018, 08:34 AMVipper

Actually I had it used against twice in the last week. KV-2 as many other unit, need veterancy bonuses and abilities tailor made for the unit's role but that does not justify it having high rear armor value.

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2018, 08:34 AMVipper

flawed theory.

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2018, 08:51 AMJohnSmith

I've had the KV2 used against me once this week. It did nothing, replay shows it did nothing, it was utterly useless.

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2018, 08:51 AMJohnSmith

It has been discussed countless times before how useless the unit is. It hasn't even seen any use in recent tournaments. Also, people fielding a unit does not automatically mean that the unit is valid. It needs more than just a little change and a nerf to its armor to get it back into the game. Your theory about the KV2 is a unit that can stand on its own with a nerf and changes you propose, to quote yourself:

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2018, 09:17 AMVipper

Great pls upload the video of you dealing with the KV-2.

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2018, 09:22 AMJohnSmith

Actually, since you keep on claiming that the KV2 is fine but it needs a nerf to its back armor and that you encountered it TWICE (double as much as me), you should upload your videos. Stop pointing fingers at others, do the first step.

Jump back to quoted post2 Mar 2018, 09:17 AMVipper

I actually said that KV-2 need different vet bonus and abilities. What I have pointed out is that KV-2 does not high rear armor value.