2v2 gameplay post patch

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2018, 01:06 AMIJustDontCare

Yeah. My biggest issue with allies is how slow their start can be. Its frustrating because a lot of games with allies if you dont play good early on can turn easy games into long struggles. Especially on maps with early cutoff/fuel building rushes.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2018, 01:09 AMGarrett

You misspelled "axis".

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2018, 04:38 AMOutsider_Sidaroth

Infantry definitively seems to be the way to go for USF in 2vs2, thought you could argue Mechanized it's an option for it too, I would say nothing beats Field Defenses, ToT to kill Howitzer/Pak43 or OKW Trucks and the Priest that got buffed last patch.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2018, 11:15 AMPhy

2s double SU dominates the allies combo. SU+Brit as usual is very strong. USF can only do the riflebar+m8 backup with jackson to work. But if done properly is very hard to counter.

Double OKW<<<double ost. Mixed okw/ost best combo as axis.

Overall I feel worst factions in 2s are okw and usf. But USF unless it gets matched with another USF which rarely happens still has better success than OKW which oftenly gets match with another OKW (because axis has less dif. faction).

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2018, 13:53 PMShadowLinkX37

They successfully dropped JT and Ele from being picked every game because they were good to being picked because they're the only counter to allied TD spam. Heavy TDs are a flaw by design, so at least they're not ultra strong anymore.

The rest of the axis spam though. Now that those are gone OKW doesn't really pull its weight lategame, and ostheer can't contest 60 range TDs.

Just considering teamgames I think the overall patch was a success, but imo I think this a "2 steps forward, 1 step back" type of deal.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2018, 11:25 AMButcher

This patch effectively made me delete the Elefant and the JT from the standard loadout. So we got that going, right?

Jäger Infanterie and Osttruppen doctrine have a nice flavour now.

But other than that it's the usual Panzer IV rush for Ostheer.

OKW isn't worth it lategame any longer. The 60 range tank destroyer superiority of the Allies has become more of a problem now that the Panther and JPIV and JT have been nerfed.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2018, 15:30 PMGrumpy

The JT is still pretty good and the only thing that I've had be successful against the Firefly/SU85 combo on open maps. Since the patch, I've had a JT get to vet 5 with almost 40 kills total (only around 11 were vehicles). The HE barrage is useful against infantry, especially with so many players getting multiple Katys that it's hard to keep infantry on the field.

My only criticism of the current patch would be that the factions are starting to feel too close to being similar. A OKW P4 seems about the same as a T34/85 or Easy8. The OKW JP4 doesn't seem to work any better than an SU85, and no caches makes sure that you have fewer of them.

Late game does seem to be tipping to Allies. OST needs a 5th man upgrade for Grens (like UKF has) and a 60-range TD. OKW needs to be able to build caches, and the ISG should be made competitive with the 120mm (or the 120 nerfed).

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2018, 02:26 AMsiddolio

Nah thats not true anymore, firefly/su/katy beats any axis late game comp unless axis wins early game. Flamer HT and Flak HT and pushing allies off resources is best play

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2018, 15:44 PMLemonJuice

kinda interesting how your suggestions just further make the factions more similar to each other

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2018, 16:45 PMGrumpy

True, but salvage doesn't make up for lack of caches, and buffing Stugs so that they're competitive in 4v4 would make them badly OP in 1's. RA doesn't help much when it comes to squad survivability in 4's so the only way to make Grens viable is to add a 5th (unless you want to make Osttruppen the standard infantry for 4v4's).