Storm doctrine broken in new patch V1.6.1

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2017, 13:43 PMAngrade (Ægion)

Problem: Storm Doctrine does not have Stormtroopers.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2017, 15:12 PMA_E

Can't argue with that, obvious fix give them storm troopers.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2017, 15:33 PM|GB| The Lnt.599

Might sound nice, but Stormtroopers are an munition sink themselves too, so then you will still get a very munition heavy commander so i would suggest maybe one of those mechanized assaultgroups or maybe a stug e, puma or cp4. And then maybe we should change the name from storm doctrine into something else, cuz storm doctrine without stormtroopers feels strange indeed

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2017, 15:33 PM|GB| The Lnt.599

Might sound nice, but Stormtroopers are an munition sink themselves too, so then you will still get a very munition heavy commander so i would suggest maybe one of those mechanized assaultgroups or maybe a stug e, puma or cp4. And then maybe we should change the name from storm doctrine into something else, cuz storm doctrine without stormtroopers feels strange indeed

• 280-300 Manpower
  
• Can be upgraded to antitank package (Exclusive)
  -In order to make this package more distinguishable from the PGrens it will add 3-4? Pzb 39 AT rifle that will not drop. Since there would be so many slot items, it would be best if it did not drop.
  -The damage would be equal to guards PTRS?
  -75-100 munitions
  
• Veterancy 1 ability is now the Tactical Assault ability
  -I had an idea to change this ability. Instead of a timed ability, make it into a toggle? Reduce the speed of the squad but increase accuracy and burst duration by 10%. I would be a counterpart for the Guards Hit the dirt vet ability.
  
• No longer has passive camouflage
  
• Upon deploying this unit will have 30 seconds of camouflage
  
• Retains hold fire
  
  

• G43 Upgrade [DBP] (Exclusive)
  
• 5 Man squad upgrade? (Non-Exclusive)
  -This would potentially make them into a true elite unit
  -Add a passive healing to increase continuous field presence.
  

• Ambush Camouflage upgrade (Non-Exclusive)
  -Will gain the ambush bonus
  -research time reduced to 20 seconds so camouflage can be maintained upon deploying
  
• MP41(r) Upgrade (Exclusive)
  -The MP41(r) are converted PPSHs to utilized 9×19mm Parabellum ammo.
  -With both Ambush Camouflage and Tactical Assault both available the accuracy bonus would be too high for STG 44s in mid to long range. Additionally, this would allow it to be more distinguishable from Pgrens.
  -45 munitions
  -Gains a smoke grenade
  shares cool down with the bundle grenade.
  

• To improve cashe destroying capability the bundle grenade is swapped out with a satchel charge equal to the Penal's.
  -Starts on cooldown.
  
• Ambush Camouflage upgrade (Non-Exclusive)
  -Will gain the ambush bonus
  -research time reduced to 20 seconds so camouflage can be maintained upon deploying
  
• Jaeger Infantry upgrade (Exclusive)
  -With how heavy this doctrine is on Close the Pocket a cheaper weapon upgrade would help.
  -adds a Single Scoped G43 equal to the OKW Jaeger Light Infantry's G43
  -45 munitions
  
  

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2017, 16:57 PMAngrade (Ægion)

This is a bit of a derailment of the original thread



Once the DBP is finalized, I will be releasing my own balance mod. I have been thinking of ways to change Stormtroopers. Stormtroopers are overlapping with ambush camouflage/sprint in Encirclement. Additionally, they do not feel very unique seeing they feel either a better Grenadier or a better PGren. For my future mod, I am thinking of giving them unique upgrades based on which doctrine to contribute to that play-style.


Base Stormtroopers

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• 280-300 Manpower
  
• Can be upgraded to antitank package (Exclusive)
  -In order to make this package more distinguishable from the PGrens it will add 3-4? Pzb 39 AT rifle that will not drop. Since there would be so many slot items, it would be best if it did not drop.
  -The damage would be equal to guards PTRS?
  -75-100 munitions
  
• Veterancy 1 ability is now the Tactical Assault ability
  -I had an idea to change this ability. Instead of a timed ability, make it into a toggle? Reduce the speed of the squad but increase accuracy and burst duration by 10%. I would be a counterpart for the Guards Hit the dirt vet ability.
  
• No longer has passive camouflage
  
• Upon deploying this unit will have 30 seconds of camouflage
  
• Retains hold fire
  

Elite Troop's Stormtroopers

• G43 Upgrade [DBP] (Exclusive)
  
• 5 Man squad upgrade? (Non-Exclusive)
  -This would potentially make them into a true elite unit
  -Add a passive healing to increase continuous field presence.
  

Storm Doctrine's Stormtroopers

• Ambush Camouflage upgrade (Non-Exclusive)
  -Will gain the ambush bonus
  -research time reduced to 20 seconds so camouflage can be maintained upon deploying
  
• MP41(r) Upgrade (Exclusive)
  -The MP41(r) are converted PPSHs to utilized 9×19mm Parabellum ammo.
  -With both Ambush Camouflage and Tactical Assault both available the accuracy bonus would be too high for STG 44s in mid to long range. Additionally, this would allow it to be more distinguishable from Pgrens.
  -45 munitions
  -Gains a smoke grenade
  shares cool down with the bundle grenade.
  

Encirclement Doctrine's Stormtroopers

• To improve cashe destroying capability the bundle grenade is swapped out with a satchel charge equal to the Penal's.
  -Starts on cooldown.
  
• Ambush Camouflage upgrade (Non-Exclusive)
  -Will gain the ambush bonus
  -research time reduced to 20 seconds so camouflage can be maintained upon deploying
  
• Jaeger Infantry upgrade (Exclusive)
  -With how heavy this doctrine is on Close the Pocket a cheaper weapon upgrade would help.
  -adds a Single Scoped G43 equal to the OKW Jaeger Light Infantry's G43
  -45 munitions
  
  

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2017, 18:54 PMBeefSurge

what I bolded seems like a bad idea,

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2017, 19:24 PMAngrade (Ægion)

I do not see anything in bold

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2017, 15:39 PMA_E

Erm ok well have them arrive with STGs already upgraded but in an open top halftrack.

'Stormtrooper assault'

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2017, 22:26 PMDarkshaddowsss

I agree that assault grens would be a cool fit to this doctrine and make it viable i would prefer them to stormtroopers tbh as it allow the doctrine to have early game field presence. Ass grens also don't have the mg upgrade allowing for more mines or camo.

@Egion Im not a big fan of this as Pzb 39 AT rifle would not be that great without a ability that fits into the storm idea - some sort of stun with ambush camo maybe.

Can be upgraded to antitank package (Exclusive)
-In order to make this package more distinguishable from the PGrens it will add 3-4? Pzb 39 AT rifle that will not drop. Since there would be so many slot items, it would be best if it did not drop.
-The damage would be equal to guards PTRS?
-75-100 munitions

The package is too expensive for such a loss to AI without enough at. players would be better off getting a pak gun, 320mp/280-300mp 75-100 munitons I do think that slightly different stormtroopers for each doctrine would be a awesome idea.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2017, 18:54 PMBeefSurge