December Balance Preview

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 18:02 PMDangerous-Cloth

So no response to the gross overnerf of the luchs timing? At least try here Modders, because people are losing faith in you being unbiased here.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 18:05 PMStug life

I wonder what the balnce team thinks about this, that a squad can go in the open and still win with no hurra seems realllllyyyy balanced
btw could ypu try mg 34 and no mg 34 ober ?
and try to mix hurra

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 18:21 PMRussianHamster

Sure. Obers and some other axis inf squads:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/208430893
And obers withot LMG (i forgot about without LMG test first time):
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/208432772

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 18:39 PMStug life

think all of this but with hurra and hit the dirt on cover ,cons meta boys

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 18:02 PMDangerous-Cloth

So no response to the gross overnerf of the luchs timing? At least try here Modders, because people are losing faith in you being unbiased here.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 18:45 PMmiragefla

People we have talked about regarding Luchs -such as Luvnest and Dave who we consider to be good players- their main issue with the Luchs is the fact it arrives too early in the game compared to other light tank/light tank-esque vehicles hence the change. Originally I suggested the Mechanized and Luchs both get 15 seconds on their build timer, though people would just plop down the Mech truck sooner.

If anyone has a better suggestion regarding the early Luchs timing, feel free to put it in.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 17:35 PMRussianHamster

I installed OBS, specially for you. Simple tests show us a simple true - falls are trash in current DBP patch.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/208418162

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 18:51 PMMr.Smith

Thx for the report. I went through the veterancy files, and it seems that the intended +15% accuracy bonus at Vet5 is not applying properly.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 18:56 PMRussianHamster

No problem. But i think +15% accuracy dont changes that. In my opinion they need to be as PG in this test, but deal more damage on high and mid range, when PG deals more damage on mid and short range.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 19:00 PMAustralian Magic

And it was like this since day 1. Falsch deal more damage at distance (much more) while PzGrens at point blank

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 18:56 PMRussianHamster

No problem. But i think +15% accuracy dont changes that. In my opinion they need to be as PG in this test, but deal more damage on high and mid range, when PG deals more damage on mid and short range.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 19:18 PMRussianHamster

So i mean what falls need to kill a cons without a chances for them, like that doing PGs, but deal more of the total damage on long and mid range.
Now they really better on long range than PG, but they cant kill cons without RNG, at the same time PGs killing cons everytime without losses a more than one model.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 18:45 PMmiragefla

People we have talked about regarding Luchs -such as Luvnest and Dave who we consider to be good players- their main issue with the Luchs is the fact it arrives too early in the game compared to other light tank/light tank-esque vehicles hence the change. Originally I suggested the Mechanized and Luchs both get 15 seconds on their build timer, though people would just plop down the Mech truck sooner.

If anyone has a better suggestion regarding the early Luchs timing, feel free to put it in.

Jump back to quoted post9 Dec 2017, 23:09 PMShadowLinkX37

That luchs arrival time nerf seems way too hard. Especially for 2.0 possible final iteration of the preview. The issue with luchs as I see it currently is the perfect meta, as well as some faction design flaws.

Luchs runs rampant because 19/20 penals will not snare it, USF requires vet 1, which you may or may not have based on fighting, and UKF require the boys AT rifles. The luchs is an AI light tank, it is supposed to be strong vs infantry when used correctly.

Handheld AT bug is fixed, which will indirectly nerf all vehicles.

USF can go captain for an AT gun, or rely on zooks. UKF will always have access to the 6 pounder, even though they don't have snares. Soviets will now spam conscripts and probably go T2 for maxims and a zis. Cons also have AT nades and oorah.

Allies light vehicles can all deal with the luchs. And I mean every single one aside from the M5 meatgrinder. M20 mines, AAHT (difficult), stuart, AEC, T70, Su76.

The meta will soon shape to be able to counter the luchs more effectivly. So I don't think such a drastic change was needed last minute.

OKW currently crutches on mechanized to keep their momentum or you lose to the stronger infantry of the allies once they get upgraded and obers arrive to late. Maybe with the HMG34 buffs and LeIG rework it'll allow for med truck, but if it appears to be too weak OKW will be wiped from 1v1 ladder.

I agree with dangerous cloth. 60 seconds would have been a fine change if anything.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 19:45 PMMuad'Dib

I am not saying Falls are fine necessarily, but there are many factors that are not encompassed by a single test like this one, e.g. utility (grenades + faust), camouflage, the fact they paradrop, the fact that mid- and long range units tend to be safer from wipes in general.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 19:45 PMShadowLinkX37

As much as I like luvnest and dave, more goes into being a top player than just knowing the game. You need to be good at micro, know counters, vet etc. If you excel at one of these areas you can theoredically compensate for maybe a lack in other areas. Such as having excellent micro but not knowing stats and chances to pen etc. Nothing against those players, but I don't think they'd be the absolute best choice when coming to balance arguements.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 20:11 PMMr.Smith

If we are going to take Luvnest's opinion as the bible, who do we ask, then?

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 20:11 PMMr.Smith

If we are going to take Luvnest's opinion as the bible, who do we ask, then?

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 20:16 PMAlphrum

i highly doubt anyone one of them suggested a 80 second delay for a p2. make it 50-60 second delay

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 20:11 PMMr.Smith

If we are going to take Luvnest's opinion as the bible, who do we ask, then?

Luchs 85 secs build time isn't so tragic as it sounds. I mean, M20 has a 60 second build time, and it also deadlocks your LT tier build order until it's ready.

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2017, 20:27 PMIncendiaryRounds

Can anyone explain why sections were buffed instead of nerfed. After the volk nerf, live game sections will be borderline op and now they are getting even better? Makes zero sense.

• Infantry sections no longer benefit from 0.9 RA in cover (would apply any time a section would touch cover, regardless of direction)
  
• Infantry section Vet2 RA bonus lowered from 0.76 to 0.78
  
• Infantry sections no longer gain 2 Scoped Enfield at Vet3
  
• Infantry section moving Enfield accuracy changed from 0.25 to 0.35