December Balance Preview

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2017, 22:48 PMAngrade (Ægion)

well, lets look at their counter parts. Grens can not build sandbags and at max range it is a fifty-fifty toss up. Volks can build stand bags, but they are weaker.

Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2017, 20:08 PMmondeogaming1

No volks are stornger but worst guns way better dps and they ony cost 250 manopwoer while riflemen lose their smoke nothing defensive build andthey lose 4 men in a volks fight

Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2017, 15:29 PMMr.Smith

As for Brits, I don't think we've really touched them yet. Therefore, if we are allowed more scope-credit, it should go there.

Jump back to quoted post12 Nov 2017, 21:39 PMle_saucisson_masque

were you drunk when you wrotte that ?

this forum definately need a reputation system to highlight interesting post and set the other invisible (check overwatch forum to see what i mean), it would make discussion on balance much easier to read.

• Abandon the classical design: When the demo is set off make it release a flare (like the tripwire flare) and have a single incendiary barrage shell land after 3 (or more appropriate amount of time) seconds. The demo can no longer be targeted by small arms but can no longer be set off if a minesweeper is within a 5 (or more appropriate amount of distance) distance.
  What this would achieve:
  - The demo becomes a more effective blob counter that is still effective against units in buildings but also does not completely destroy the building or the squad right away.
  - There is counter play by having the demo no longer be usable if a mine sweeper is too close, which also allows it to be defused without it going off.
  - The demo is no longer outright killing lone capping squads.
  - The demo can only be effectively used with sight.
  - The demo can still be "defused" by attack grounding with weapons other than small arms.
  
• Suppression and damage: Have it deal 60 damage and suppression. The demo can no longer be targeted by small arms. Lower the cost to 60 munitions (or more appropriate amount).
  What this would achieve:
  - No outright squad wipes of single squads.
  - Effective measure against blobs.
  - Still effective blob deterrent as it can no longer be set off by small arms. That way one has to use a mortar, grenade or tank shell to set it off which would at least delay advances. So while it still encourages to blob with a minesweeper, the mine sweeper does no longer render the demo uneffective the moment it is discovered. It at least delays and even if the player misses the demo for some reason, it will not kill squads (unless every entity in the squad is below 60 health).
  - Very cost ineffective against single capping squads.
  
• (My old suggestion with a change: ) Have demos kill all but one entity in a squad within its blast radius (potentially increase the radius): The demo starts being more cost effective the more squads are within the blast radius and it stops wiping squads outright. For a single squad it would just be a really, really expensive mine without the suppression. Demos can no longer be targeted by small arms.
  

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2017, 18:18 PMDangerous-Cloth

Demos should just be like in CoH.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2017, 18:55 PM__deleted__

I fear you don't know how potent vcoh demo was...

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2017, 18:55 PM__deleted__

I fear you don't know how potent vcoh demo was...

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2017, 11:54 AMmondeogaming1

Do you know how to read stats volks dps and accrance

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2017, 21:57 PMinsaneHoshi

If you are saying that Volks have better DPS than riflemen, you are factually incorrect.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2017, 22:01 PMZombiFrancis

You're just asking for someone to show speadsheet numbers comparing double bars to volks without stgs or something else that obscures clarity.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2017, 21:57 PMinsaneHoshi

If you are saying that Volks have better DPS than riflemen, you are factually incorrect.

And maybe you shouldn't accuse people of reading poorly when you dont seem to have the best grammar.

Jump back to quoted post13 Nov 2017, 18:55 PM__deleted__

I fear you don't know how potent vcoh demo was...

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 12:47 PMDangerous-Cloth

Potent yes, but locked behind side tech and needed to be put on buildings or bridges!

Jump back to quoted post14 Nov 2017, 14:15 PMsherlock

You can also put them on objects such as cover and barbed wire, which is btw what Stephen did in the video