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Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2017, 20:36 PMAustralian Magic

Wow, and I just thought that counter-attack cannot be even more useless

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2017, 20:29 PMShadowLinkX37

T34/85s have 800HP, which is equal to a panther in terms of HP. It outclasses any p4 variant simply because of that HP, also being cheaper than the OKW p4. Yes the OKW p4 has better armor, the 85 also has better pen, ontop of the better AI from the coaxial and hull mgs.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2017, 22:19 PMDangerous-Cloth

Agreed. Still, I don't find them overperforming. Do you?

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2017, 22:45 PMShadowLinkX37

In comparison to the p4, yes. IIRC its 135 fuel? maybe 130, where the OKW p4 will soon be 140, but is generally worse because of the lower HP. Why do you agree with my points that state its overperforming for its price but then say it isn't overperforming?

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2017, 22:45 PMShadowLinkX37

In comparison to the p4, yes. IIRC its 135 fuel? maybe 130, where the OKW p4 will soon be 140, but is generally worse because of the lower HP. Why do you agree with my points that state its overperforming for its price but then say it isn't overperforming?

If they are used a ton and prove to be too strong in the near future then more changes can be looked at

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2017, 23:22 PMFantomasas

The fuel difference is too small to matter: 10 fuel there vs 20 MP. You can argue that the smaller HP pool is offset by the extra frontal armor. The T34 85 production isn't as problematic as T34 76 because you have to lock in the commander which doesn't drop fuel. The balance doesn't matter if it is 5% more efficient than P4, small differences like that just don't matter in team games. Perhaps the tank could get nerfs for pop-cap or production-time to make it less spammy without affecting the combat stats.

The T85 should be a better tank just because it is locked behind the doctrine and T4. The tank has to have advantages over stock tanks. It is also the "elite" tank of Soviets, where you get better tanks from T4 from germans.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2017, 23:45 PMHon3ynuts

The 85 is currently overshadowed by the 76 for its cost. I more often find myself going for t34/76's as you can get 3 76's for less fuel than 2 85s. You can also produce a 76 2 earlier than an 85 and their mgs are all the same, as well as the AOE profiles. You get 1920 over 1600 hp and 480 compared to 320 damage with about the same reload at 100 compared to 140 pen. Not that they aren't very good, but since they are comparable to other soviet units, i don't think it's appropriate to adjust their costs right now. I also think that the P4 has historically(ingame) not performed great vs armor with its low penetration so its more appropriate to look at the p4 than the 85s.

I think since both p4 variants are getting cheaper and the more cost effective 76 is getting a price increase, its fair to keep them the same. If they are used a ton and prove to be too strong in the near future then more changes can be looked at, but comparing it to 1 unit when there are dozens more it is in parity with doesn't seem appropriate.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2017, 05:48 AMaomsinzana

1.7 is release but ...

STORM DOCTRINE STILL HAVE ONE FREE SLOT ABILITY !!!!!

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2017, 20:32 PMSkysTheLimit

Locked in t4 now tho

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2017, 18:55 PMShadowLinkX37

If this patch is centered around teamgames why is there no T34/85 and easy 8 nerfs? Those units stats are way to good for their price. Same for IL-2 straffes. Certain IL-2 loiters can delete squads.

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2017, 12:11 PMSupremeStefan

This is joke right ? e8 is decent tank, good for it cost but not good enough for axis lategame but yeah lets nerf it because earlygane Usf dominance lol i think its ok no one uses that doctrine anyway if u ask me e8 should have range 45 not 40 and costs 150 fuel

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2017, 12:11 PMSupremeStefan

This is joke right ? e8 is decent tank, good for it cost but not good enough for axis lategame but yeah lets nerf it because earlygane Usf dominance lol i think its ok no one uses that doctrine anyway if u ask me e8 should have range 45 not 40 and costs 150 fuel

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2017, 13:12 PMSupremeStefan

Aaaand Leig Cost further decreased from 300 to 270 ? Total bullshit. Usf howitzer still not touched and now sniping leig costs like mortar with extra smoke and napalm if needed. Okw leigfest is coming back

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2017, 22:45 PMShadowLinkX37

In comparison to the p4, yes. IIRC its 135 fuel? maybe 130, where the OKW p4 will soon be 140, but is generally worse because of the lower HP. Why do you agree with my points that state its overperforming for its price but then say it isn't overperforming?

Jump back to quoted post6 Dec 2017, 16:19 PMDangerous-Cloth

Yeah I see what you mean. The problem is, in a team game scenario, I don't find it (T34-85) overperforming. In a 1v1 vacuum, I do find both of them (T34-85 and EZ8) overperforming, especially considering their cost. For example, in a 1v1 I find the OKW p4 to be quite capable, even considering its cost. However, in a team game, I just find it lackluster. I find the Ostheer P4 lackluster in all game modes lol.

The same goes for the T34-76. In a 1v1 and 2v2 I find it pretty uselsess, apart from the occasional ram. In teamgames, they can be quite unbalanced as you spam them so hard that you can just overwhelm anything lol. The same goes for Panthers. Not really worth it in 1v1, but really really good and overwhelming in a 2v2 and up.

Does that clear it up a bit? I mean I agree with you, but also sort of disagree xd.