T34 and RAM
5 Aug 2013, 21:01 PM
#21
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I dont buy the t34s are expensive at all jinseual. Soviet players almost never lack fuel. how many times have we seena magic su-85 appear when the soviet player was losing
5 Aug 2013, 21:23 PM
#22
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They get the same fuel income as germans there is no diffrence exceept for hte 20 extra fuel a the beggining to compensate for the higher cost of t1.
Munis i agree but not on fuel
Munis i agree but not on fuel
5 Aug 2013, 21:28 PM
#23
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I dont buy the t34s are expensive at all jinseual. Soviet players almost never lack fuel. how many times have we seena magic su-85 appear when the soviet player was losing
soviet players almost never lacks of fuel though the fuel income and tech upgrade for both side are equally the same?
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
5 Aug 2013, 21:33 PM
#24
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6 Aug 2013, 03:44 AM
#25
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soviet players almost never lacks of fuel though the fuel income and tech upgrade for both side are equally the same?
The soviets need fuel just as much as the germans, maybe more since their tanks are weaker, easily destroyed, and only effective in numbers.
6 Aug 2013, 04:08 AM
#26
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The soviets need fuel just as much as the germans, maybe more since their tanks are weaker, easily destroyed, and only effective in numbers.
I put a question mark there
First off all. Tripwire so gud, 10 ammo for a whole dead squad ? + sight.
Vehicle capture point can win games, blitzkrieg save a tank. Fair Deal i think
6 Aug 2013, 21:19 PM
#27
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It does always seem that sovs have more fuel when I play them. But its not the case...
6 Aug 2013, 21:51 PM
#28
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doesnt the t34 cost something like 90 fuel? p4 is 115, panther 165. Not sure how 90 fuel is expensive
7 Aug 2013, 00:15 AM
#29
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Had this Idea the other day, what if there was a certain damage limit for ram? Like, a amount of damage the T-34 can sustain during ram before ram is disabled again. It would make the annoying tactic of ramming Tigers and elephants right front less usefull, while encouraging manouvering and flanking, and making ram an ability that required a minimum of skill.
7 Aug 2013, 21:21 PM
#30
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doesnt the t34 cost something like 90 fuel? p4 is 115, panther 165. Not sure how 90 fuel is expensive
t34 cost 95 fuel, panzer IV 115 fuel, t34 is only less than half as useful as a panzer IV with only 80 pct of the cost.
you can make 6 t34s for 5 panzer IVs, yet the 5 panzer IVs will dominate the t34s unless the t34s rammed, but that would just leave one t34 just knocking on the bolts.
t34s should be cheaper and rammed needs to be nerfed, because ramming encourages bad gameplay where players would constantly ram their tanks as if the lives of their tankers mean nothing and unit preservation is a joke.
i hope relic would make the changes for the t34 because soviet union built almost more t34s than all the german tanks combined + the germans were fighting in two fronts so that's alot less german tanks in the eastern front, i want to see this massed produced item appear a lot more in this game.
7 Aug 2013, 21:39 PM
#31
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You do understand that you have to balance it wisely, your suggestion is to balance 1 unit, but you should then balance others accordingly.
7 Aug 2013, 21:59 PM
#32
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I said a long time ago. Ram accordingly. If u ram the front the gun is knocked out. Ram the side the tracks are knocked off.. ram the back engine damage. That would be a cool little mechanic while forcing a tactical decision based on the given situation.
7 Aug 2013, 22:24 PM
#33
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an underrated and unofficial advantage of the t34 is it seems to run over germans very easily. Yeah yeah all tanks can do it but the added speed + body size and the small size of german squads means a very aggressive t-34 can wreak more havoc than just its gun dps would lead you to believe. Not saying that should be buffed or nerfed at all, Im just saying its something people dont really think about 
8 Aug 2013, 08:33 AM
#34
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the fact is they have to be very careful in buffing the T34. It's never meant to go 1 v 1 with a pz4 despite what some of the russian fanboys want (there is a reason why its 30 fuel cheaper).It has pretty decent armor too.
Its absolutely devastating against infantry and with ram can make any German player scream his head off when his 260 fuel elephant/tiger is rendered useless in one click.
Its absolutely devastating against infantry and with ram can make any German player scream his head off when his 260 fuel elephant/tiger is rendered useless in one click.
8 Aug 2013, 08:38 AM
#35
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the fact is they have to be very careful in buffing the T34. It's never meant to go 1 v 1 with a pz4 despite what some of the russian fanboys want (there is a reason why its 30 fuel cheaper).It has pretty decent armor too.
Its absolutely devastating against infantry and with ram can make any German player scream his head off when his 260 fuel elephant/tiger is rendered useless in one click.
115 - 95 = 20 fuel cheaper.
And at the current state, without Ram 2 T34's can happily lose to 1 Panzer 4 due to the sheer pathetic penetration on the T34.
T34's don't need to go 1v1 with a Panzer 4, however they need to be able to inflict some moderate damage, at the moment it's pathetic and a Panzer has similar Anti Infantry abilities.
8 Aug 2013, 08:47 AM
#36
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115 - 95 = 20 fuel cheaper.
And at the current state, without Ram 2 T34's can happily lose to 1 Panzer 4 due to the sheer pathetic penetration on the T34.
T34's don't need to go 1v1 with a Panzer 4, however they need to be able to inflict some moderate damage, at the moment it's pathetic and a Panzer has similar Anti Infantry abilities.
my bad for the typo meant to say 20 fuel.
2X T34's can still beat 1 X PZ4. Its not like both will be facing the panzer 4's front armor. At least one will be hitting his rear and if that does not work ... RAM. So 2X T34's vs 1 PZ4 = without any doubt is a win for T34.
Yes I agree that T34 needs a slight buff AT wise but it has to be balanced because of Ram.
Anti infantry power of T34 is much better than PZ4 post patch. PZ4 now hardly makes a dent not to mention T34 faces 4 man squads vs 6 for PZ4 in addition to T34 having much better scatter resulting in superior anti infantry.
8 Aug 2013, 09:05 AM
#37
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Permanently BannedPanzer has similar Anti Infantry abilities.
Utterly false.
T34s infantry dmg is MUCH better than PIVs, even with PIV MG upgrade.
8 Aug 2013, 16:11 PM
#38
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I've said this before, but an up-gun would be a nice addition to the t34/76. 100 munition or something like that and remove ram with it. Just to make it even with the p4. Or, leave ram, what player wants to waste 95 fuel and 100 munitions on Ram.
This would help for more stug play. The stug could still out gun it, as long as it didn't get flanked.
This would help for more stug play. The stug could still out gun it, as long as it didn't get flanked.
8 Aug 2013, 19:38 PM
#39
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my bad for the typo meant to say 20 fuel.
2X T34's can still beat 1 X PZ4. Its not like both will be facing the panzer 4's front armor. At least one will be hitting his rear and if that does not work ... RAM. So 2X T34's vs 1 PZ4 = without any doubt is a win for T34.
Yes I agree that T34 needs a slight buff AT wise but it has to be balanced because of Ram.
Anti infantry power of T34 is much better than PZ4 post patch. PZ4 now hardly makes a dent not to mention T34 faces 4 man squads vs 6 for PZ4 in addition to T34 having much better scatter resulting in superior anti infantry.
That's the way it should be but the truth is a PZ4 does double the damage and will always penetrate. It will finish off 1 t34 at about half health and then turn to face the other and the t34 wont be able to get through the front armor and will die too. It has happened to me.
Not to mention a flanking manuever is hard to pull off and will most likely put the t34 into a bad situation, which will atleast end with a faust into the flanking t34.
10 Aug 2013, 18:25 PM
#40
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Utterly false.
T34s infantry dmg is MUCH better than PIVs, even with PIV MG upgrade.
how much damage do the MG upgrades do on the tanks? Are they equal to say one panzer grenadier or less?
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