FBP: Mortar pit test

I did a small test regarding the mortar pit and its resilience against small arms fire.

I always used 1 grenadier squad with 0 vet at short range (which is close enough to the pit, so the pit cannot defend itself) See this picture for range reference

I will do a test with the cancer commander upgrade later. But for now, here are my findings:


44 sec to destroy
Unupgraded pit - no cancer commander, no brace
1 gren no vet, no lmg, short range

30 sec to destroy
Unupgraded pit - no cancer commander, no brace
1 gren no vet, has lmg, short range


60/65 sec (tested 2 time)

upgraded pit - no cancer commander, no brace
1 gren no vet, no lmg, short range

54/52 sec (tested 2 time)

upgraded pit - no cancer commander, no brace
1 gren no vet, has lmg, short range


50 sec to destroy
Unupgraded pit - no cancer commander, 1x brace
1 gren no vet, no lmg, short range


45 sec to destroy
Unupgraded pit - no cancer commander, 1x brace
1 gren no vet, has lmg, short range


1 min 37 sec to destroy
upgraded pit - no cancer commander, 2x brace
1 gren no vet, no lmg, short range

1 min 6 sec
upgraded pit - no cancer commander, 1x brace (could only activate it once, since it got destroyed just as the cooldown was wearing off)
1 gren no vet, has lmg, short range

I did a small test regarding the mortar pit and its resilience against small arms fire.

I always used 1 grenadier squad with 0 vet at short range (which is close enough to the pit, so the pit cannot defend itself) See this picture for range reference

I will do a test with the cancer commander upgrade later. But for now, here are my findings:


44 sec to destroy
Unupgraded pit - no cancer commander, no brace
1 gren no vet, no lmg, short range

30 sec to destroy
Unupgraded pit - no cancer commander, no brace
1 gren no vet, has lmg, short range


60/65 sec (tested 2 time)

upgraded pit - no cancer commander, no brace
1 gren no vet, no lmg, short range

54/52 sec (tested 2 time)

upgraded pit - no cancer commander, no brace
1 gren no vet, has lmg, short range


50 sec to destroy
Unupgraded pit - no cancer commander, 1x brace
1 gren no vet, no lmg, short range


45 sec to destroy
Unupgraded pit - no cancer commander, 1x brace
1 gren no vet, has lmg, short range


1 min 37 sec to destroy
upgraded pit - no cancer commander, 2x brace
1 gren no vet, no lmg, short range

1 min 6 sec
upgraded pit - no cancer commander, 1x brace (could only activate it once, since it got destroyed just as the cooldown was wearing off)
1 gren no vet, has lmg, short range

How comes that from 44 to 50 sec only when Brace has 20 sec. Means 6 sec without lmg

and with lmg you needed 15 sec more (30 to 45 sec)

That makes no sense to me

This wouldn't be needed if they at least tried this: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=679152285

Why? Because the mortar pit wouldn't be an emplacement anymore and more mobile British players like me will quit bitching, 2 birds with 1 stone.

Thanks for the testing.

Note that LMGs deal more damage at range. Therefore, ideally you would want to engage at 30-35 range with your LMG grens.


My guestimate is that cancer commander will take about 2.4 times as long to kill with small arms without brace. With brace, the longer it takes to kill, the more braces you can put in.

Note that we aren't allowed to reduce brace duration below 20 sec at this point. We also aren't allowed to reduce cancer commander armour bonus to anything below 100%. We'll have to work around this by changing HP, price and minimum range and barrage cooldown for the base emplacement.

PS: How come you get so different results for the 2x executions of the same thing (your first 4 experiments).

Thanks for the testing.

Note that LMGs deal more damage at range. Therefore, ideally you would want to engage at 30-35 range with your LMG grens.


My guestimate is that cancer commander will take about 2.4 times as long to kill with small arms without brace. With brace, the longer it takes to kill, the more braces you can put in.

Note that we aren't allowed to reduce brace duration below 20 sec at this point. We also aren't allowed to reduce cancer commander armour bonus to anything below 100%. We'll have to work around this by changing HP, price and minimum range and barrage cooldown for the base emplacement.

PS: How come you get so different results for the 2x executions of the same thing (your first 4 experiments).

I could try testing the lmg at a longer distance.

as for the scenarios I tested 2 times. At first I was surprised that there only were 6 seconds difference between the 2 scenarios. So I decided to do test these 2 scenarios again. But I have no idea why one scenario took 6 seconds longer and the other took 2 seconds less.

I could try testing the lmg at a longer distance.

as for the scenarios I tested 2 times. At first I was surprised that there only were 6 seconds difference between the 2 scenarios. So I decided to do test these 2 scenarios again. But I have no idea why one scenario took 6 seconds longer and the other took 2 seconds less.

I'm referring to the fact that when you tried LMG grens the first time it took 30 secs; second time it took 55 seconds. That's quite the difference.


PS: Nm, it was upgraded pit

What about Pios without upgrade? Any non bolt action should be more effective. This includes SP/Kubel in the early game or even MGs in comparison to Gren/Volk without upgrades.

What about Pios without upgrade? Any non bolt action should be more effective. This includes SP/Kubel in the early game or even MGs in comparison to Gren/Volk without upgrades.

I have done some more testing, including pios and sturmpios

32 sec
1 pio
hugging distance
upgraded pit
no brace

34 sec
1 pio with flamer
close distance
upgraded pit
no brace

45 sec
1 pio
hugging distance
upgraded pit
1 brace

51 sec
1 pio with flamer
close distance
upgraded pit
1 brace

14 sec
1 Sturmpio
hugging distance
upgraded pit
no brace

30 sec
1 Sturmpio
hugging distance
upgraded pit
1 brace

2min 42 sec
1 gren
upgraded pit plus advanced emplacement upgrade
close distance
no brace

3 min 36 sec
1 gren
upgraded pit plus advanced emplacement upgrade
close distance
3 brace
3brace

1 min 20 sec
1 pio
hugging distance
upgraded pit plus advanced emplacement upgrade
no brace

36 and 31 sec (tested 2 times)
1 Sturmpio
hugging distance
upgraded pit plus advanced emplacement upgrade
no brace

49 sec
1 Sturmpio
hugging distance
upgraded pit plus advanced emplacement upgrade
1 brace

1min 39 sec
1 pio
hugging distance
upgraded pit plus advanced emplacement upgrade
2 brace