Rifleman moving cooldown penalty and RE cost

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2017, 19:41 PMEsxile

RE reinforcement cost is due to them picking LMG and becoming super cheap 5men squad fighting unit like hell.
We all agree this is stupid but the root cause is the weapon rack system. Hope Relic will forget about this feature when they design Coh3.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2017, 19:45 PMVipper

There is a very easy way to avoid the issues from the rack system. That is to design drop-able weapon with mainline infantry in mind and add penalties for low quality troops and bonuses for elite troops.
(the system is half implement at the moment with some elite infantry receiving bonuses)

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2017, 19:41 PMEsxile

RE reinforcement cost is due to them picking LMG and becoming super cheap 5men squad fighting unit like hell.
We all agree this is stupid but the root cause is the weapon rack system. Hope Relic will forget about this feature when they design Coh3.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2017, 21:32 PMBizrock

Conscripts can do the same, and still be better at this, and they are WAY cheaper than RE. The point is, RE shouldn't be the same price as Standard infantry like Volks and perform worse, very worse.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2017, 21:47 PMVipper

Compare RE with Pios. You will find that they are better fighting unit...

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2017, 22:20 PMBizrock

I'am pretty sure Pios can rush RE and still win and by the way, Pios can be very good planting mines while RE can build Tank traps (Kappa). Pios are very useful with Flamethrower upgrade (I said "USEFUL") while RE can only obtain it with Commander.
But I'm not here comparing both, the purpose of RE that's broken. In the text, it said it's a "Cheap" infantry for recrewing support weapons and etc while they are the same price as Volks, that's what doesn't make any sense.

Jump back to quoted post24 Jul 2017, 18:17 PMVipper

There are 2 stat affecting moving accuracy cool-down and accuracy looking at only at one them does not paint the full picture.

For instance the DPS drop for both M1 and SVT is around 55% at close range.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 13:50 PMBizrock

I didn't understand, Rifleman have 0,6 moving accuracy while Penals and the bolt action Grenadiers and volks (KAR98) have 0,5 moving accuracy penalty. So actually is way worse than you said.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 19:25 PMVipper

there more factors that change for units that move, accuracy is only one of them.

Looking only at accuracy will not allow to know the DPS of unit on the move. Rate of fire is also affected by movement (that is shock PPsh are quite good on the move).

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 20:57 PMBizrock

Yea, that's why my complaint was about two things, RE costs and the rifleman rate of fire cooldown penalty on move. Like I said, Rifleman semi automatic rifles for no reason have the moving cooldown penalty as high as bolt action rifles, rifleman M1 garand have 1,25 and Volks/Grens kar98 have 1,5, while all others semi automatic rifles(Penals SVTs and g43s) have 0,5.
In this fall patch, penals are being nerfed to 0,75, which still way better than rifleman 1,25 moving cooldown penalty.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 21:26 PMVipper

The Cool-down multipliers do not affect DPS linearly as accuracy does.

If you compared the DPS ratio of the (Garand moving)/Garand of the riflemen at close range you will see that is similar to (SVT moving)/SVT ratio (currently in live).

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 21:31 PMBizrock

The Problem is that Rifleman suffers too much both on accuracy and rate of fire on moving, more than bolt action rifles considering that you said that accuracy matters more. This doesn't make sense to me.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 21:42 PMVipper

Bolt action rifles like the k98 depend on accuracy and high damage, carbine weapons like the riflemen M1 depend on high rate of fire.

The x0.5 accuracy modifier for K98 cuts its DPS to half while the M1 only suffers x0.6 accuracy penalty. In addition to that the K98 suffer x1.5 CD while the M1 only 1.25. The K98 loose allot more DPS than M1 while on the move.

Penals and their SVT are problematic so do even go there.

Jump back to quoted post1 Aug 2017, 10:29 AMBizrock

So help me to understand. The number of accuracy penalty is a multiplier which the lowest more accuracy will be lost on moving. Bolt actions Lee Enfield's and k98 have lower numbers compared with assault guns and semi automatic rifles, which make sense.

But I didn't understand what the cool down multiplier means, for what I got from you is that 1,5 means that the cool down will increase 50%, but SVTs, g43s and others submachine guns have values under 1. G43 have 0,5 so that means that cool down will be cutted in a half while moving? Or 0.5 means x1.5 and 1.5 means x2.5?