OKW back to stone age?

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2017, 09:53 AMMr.Smith

When somebody is in the business of creating rumours, you should always be asking for some sort of evidence; not jumping on the rumour bandwagon. Otherwise, you're simply taken in for a ride.

Nevertheless, I still don't see any mention of "veterancy" or the number "5" in this thread.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2017, 10:23 AMJan Ziska

The OP states that the balance team is 'removing additional vet' for OKW. I'd simply like to know where on this site the suggested changes are so I can make my own assumptions

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2017, 10:52 AMMr.Smith

OK, now I see this. It wasn't written properly, so I didn't parse it correctly on the first few times.

Nevertheless, all I have to say is:
- We've never discussed our precise plans about OKW to the OP
- In fact, we don't even know who the OP is
- Thus, the OP has no clue about what we're doing, and he's simply starting rumours
- If the OP wanted to state what he believes we are up to, he should have mentioned "I don't know what the balance team are up to; however, my guess is that..."

As a community, at the very least we should grow the reflexes to:
- Question rumours presented as facts
- Don't jump in on the rumour wagon before you request the source for the information
- If you want to spread what you believe is valid information, always reference the original source, so that others can judge it
- At absolutely every cost, do not amplify rumours

(This applies to real life as well).

Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2017, 19:13 PMMarioSilver

So according to these empirical data, they are the most played faction and yet the weakest one. And there are more nerfs coming too, the removal of the addition vet levels, nerfing their heavies into uselesness etc.


SU's Tier 1 is one reason, USF zook spam and arty is another. Brit's tommies and ultra-fast teching is another major contributing factor. How do we fix this? Should relic nerf those OP things or buff OKW?

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2017, 13:39 PMGrumpy

The data doesn't say that at all. If you considered this an experiment, there would be three test factors (faction, player, and map). Win/loss is nominal data so you can't do an actual statistical analysis on it, but even if you were able to change it to something that you could, the strongest effect would be player followed by map. Hans made UKF look ok, VonIvan did the same for Soviet, DevM and Luvnest both did the same for USF. DevM, Luvnest, VonIvan and Hans are OP, and make whatever they're playing look OP.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2017, 14:17 PMGarrett

I just hope that the Super-TDs don't get nerfed too heavily, that would be the end of Axis in team games. Good luck fighting Fireflies, SUs and even Jacksons with squishy units with lower range.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2017, 14:34 PMRedT3rror

Super TDs completely ruin balance.

JT/Ele on Hill 400? sucks to be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Redball? sucks to be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Minsk? sucks tob be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Rhzev? sucks tob be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Crossing? sucks tob be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Hamburg? sucks tob be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Lanzerath? sucks tob be allies "gg"
....

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2017, 14:50 PMJan Ziska

super-medium spam

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2017, 14:58 PMRedT3rror

You mean Panther spam?

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2017, 14:12 PMBananenheld

So every allied winrate got pushed by good players? Damn it, axis is indeed way too stronk!

Jump back to quoted post12 Jun 2017, 14:34 PMRedT3rror

Super TDs completely ruin balance.

JT/Ele on Hill 400? sucks to be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Redball? sucks to be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Minsk? sucks tob be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Rhzev? sucks tob be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Crossing? sucks to be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Hamburg? sucks to be allies "gg"
JT/Ele on Lanzerath? sucks to be allies "gg"
....

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2017, 12:42 PMI984

...Your streaks say otherwise.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2017, 12:42 PMI984

...Your streaks say otherwise.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2017, 14:45 PMRedT3rror

Perhaps it's because we get randoms in about 90% of our games. Needless to say the majority of won games in our streak comes from a time when comets actually had 50 range and arty cover was still useful.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2017, 14:57 PMAugust1996

if you say that pre-nerf comets and insta-crit arty cover was balanced

Jump back to quoted post13 Jun 2017, 14:45 PMRedT3rror

majority of won games in our streak comes from a time when comets actually had 50 range and arty cover was still useful.[/quote]

Emphasis on "useful"

Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2017, 04:11 AMDanielD

This is real. I say this knowing that I'm not that good, nor as good as I used to be, but when I watch the top level players, they really don't play optimally. So even at the highest levels it's hard to glean what the balance is truly like since half the top players aren't using hotkeys to micro vehicles(!!).

I know the stock response on these forums is "well most people are casuals so lets balance for the casuals" . However, I think it's okay that there's some niche games that still have a high skill ceiling, and are balanced around that skill ceiling. If the game is made too easy then there's nothing to strive for.

To tie this back to the main topic: I really feel like the struggles against OKW are a combination of OKW being easy to make mistakes on compared to the other factions, and an L2P issue.